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TOPIC: Lobb et al

dddocker Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #43

dddocker
If we get Hogan and Lobb during this trade period that will be as good as it gets in any trade period for the Dockers.
Sandi, as much as I love him, is in his last year. We have to accept this as a reality. My guess is he will have limited travel/field time in 2019. As has been suggested Darcy will carry most of the ruck and Lobb will back up but will be up forward in rotation with Hogan and Tabs. Awesome.
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slammen Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #44

slammen
I reckon if we get Hogan and Lobb , Sandi will retire
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rogerrocks Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #45

rogerrocks
I'm not so sure - more like Sandi can play without worrying about what happens to the team if he gets injured. I want to see him one more season.
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Corporal Agarn Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #46

Corporal Agarn
I don't see these as the sort of stats that would have some hear raving about Lobb. This is not elite!

2018 averages 9.6 disp. 3.2 marks 20.7 hit outs 0.6 goals 2.8 tackles

Darcy in his secobd year. 9.3 disp 2.1 marks 33.3hit outs 0.3 goals 4.1 tackles
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Gumnut Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #47

Gumnut
So does that make Darcy Elite. I've been wondering who makes up these Elite standard stats because some make no sense at all with ordinary performers getting the tag whilst others who are outstanding players falling foul of the Elite points givers.
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teasea Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #48

teasea
But he wants to play forward more, probably found exerting all that energy in the ruck didn't enable him to kick goals whereas at Freo he would play mostly forward so not exert so much energy .............oh
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Jason Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #49

Jason
Strnadica can be retained for a third year on the Rookie list if the club wants to. Giro & Banfield can also be retained a second year but Banfield has already inked a new deal so he’ll be elevated to the main list.

After having a dearth of tall talent (at least available tall talent) for years, all of a sudden we look like having plenty of support for the first-choice bigs - who’d have thunk that 13 months ago?! So for what it’s worth, I’d be retaining all the big fellas we have for at least another year.

We hold all the cards in terms of LN. If Brissie don’t cough up this year and he’s held to the final year of his contract, there’s no guarantee he gets there next year as he’d only be a restricted FA. Brissie would have to offer us a similar trade deal to this year otherwise we match whatever offer they table and he goes nowhere - or into the draft (not going to happen).

Apparently the club is cooling to the Hogan trade as he has yet to ask for a trade (pretty fundamental to the process!); there are serious questions about his foot injury and now we’re likely to get Lobb for a second-rounder (anything more is dreamin’ by GWS) the pressure is off a bit.

We’d still have the coin and draft picks to make a play for Hogan next year should he/we decide to stay put - just to make sure he gets over that foot injury.

But if LN does exit, we could well end up with Lobb and two early first round picks. We could then look to off load one of those for, say, a second rounder this year & that club’s first rounder next year to pick up Ian Hill.

I have to say I’m feeling a lot more comfortable knowing Belly is a big part of our trading team this year. It’s still early doors but it’s a lot like when he was playing for us - if there was a crunch situation and he was in it, you always felt it’d fall our way and so often it did.
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Gumnut Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #50

Gumnut
Gold Coast are looking for experienced players so watch out for the Sheridan/Sutcliffe for their Pick 3 deal!!
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Rhufus Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #51

Rhufus
To my mind there are two schools of thought. You either recruit the best you can get and then modify a game plan to best suit the players you have available and the players you have recruited. The second option is to have a plan and recruit according to that plan.
The second option, is my preferred option but its hard, sometimes you have to look a gift horse in the mouth and say no, you dont fit the master plan.

Does Freo have a master plan?? Whether you`re Jezza or Yeti, the answer will be different but there is certainly doubt. Lets put it this way, The Toast have quietly got Brander and Allen getting older, stronger and fitter in the seconds ready for a seamless transition when Kennedy gets too old.

There are a lot of things that Freo should be doint but the first thing I would try and work out is whether we are going to be a two ruck team (Lycett/Vardy) or a single Grundy or Gawn team. My view is Lyon should have been using the last three years to introduce a two ruck structure, to ease a second ruck into the team and to assist Sandi.

If you believe in that, then that helps you decide who to recruit.
I would play Sandi and Lobb as his back up out of the forward line for a year, with Hodor as injury replacement out of Peel. Upon retirement of 211, Hodor comes in as prime ruckman. This takes the pressure off Darcy and keeps Tabs as a stay at home CHF.

My point is we seem to just be taking players who say they want to come here instead of having a plan and going and getting those players. Lets hope there is indeed a master plan.
Im hoping Peter Bell is the strategist we need.

Pies Langdon or Rozee for instance would be great fits for our future champs Pearce and Hamling and Ryan.
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Raglan Matt Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #52

Raglan Matt
Nah, Rhufus, you take the best available footy players, and mould a strategy to suit there strengths. Why would you let the best available players go to an opponent, to be used against you.
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Rhufus Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #53

Rhufus
Im ok with that theory except when Freo took the best available, and wound up with a stack of mids, they got heavily criticised on here.
My tick boxes:
WA boys
Can they kick.
Under 25 yrs of age
Do they fit into our structure
Decision making ability under pressure.

In that order.

Much as I would love to get Rankine, Rozzee et al I would be gutted to lose them back to SA after two years. Same potential problem if we split the Kings.
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Docker by the Sea Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #54

Docker by the Sea
I don’t see why people keep saying there is a bigger risk only taking one of the King’s.
To my thinking if you take both you in fact double the risk of losing one or both.
Imagine early in their careers how easily you could upset one or the other. Being brothers if one ended up disgruntled it’s not to hard to imagine the other backing his brother up and wanting out.
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The_Yeti Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #55

The_Yeti
I can't agree with you there, RM.

That was the Bond / Lloyd mantra and we passed on players that we needed. Remember the large numbers of mid and low numbers of key position talls? I remember.

You can't pick all the good players and talls take longer to develop, so only rarely will they be the best available at the time. You draft for what you need now, next week, next year and for 5 years time.

Then you create a plan to get the best out of them but start by giving them the best chance. that means, if you need a tall marking forward, you don't pick a mid and try to turn him into a good contested mark. You turn him into a better version of what ever he already is.
Egurls Suck!
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Raglan Matt Lobb et al 5 years 7 months ago #56

Raglan Matt
We went for the best available midfield talent, go back through it , Yeti, there were talls we passed on, talls we could have but didn't try to trade for, but that is all moot while we have a game plan that does not suit forwards.
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