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TOPIC: Lachy and the elephant in the room

slammen Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #29

slammen
I thought he spoke very well ,showed respect to the players club and fans. it was clear his first choice is to go to brissy (without saying it) but I also thought what he was saying is, he could still have to play another year with us if the deal can't be done.

A very mature young man who has probably been offered 200k more per year by brissy, has played his butt off for Freo in the last three bad years and has been paid less than his worth.

To me Fyfe is the greedy one and Lachie was just wanting some reward for effort (extra dollars) but they never got offered until the lions came knocking (too late damage done)

I say thanks for everything you've given to Freo, Lachie Neale, you'll be missed and now it's time for Brissy to pay up big time to make this deal happen.

No need to be bitter Jezza, this may be a change that works for both clubs.
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Suker Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #30

Suker
"Traitor" is an old term to describe a soldier or combatant who has gone to the other side in times of war. This is just footy and is used in this instance as a light hearted dig. No one is going to yell "traitor" over the fence at the footy. Relaaaax...
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hypen Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #31

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I'm glad he's gone, I think many of you have over rated him as a person and as a player.

Freo is like my brother, I don't mind bagging him but don't anyone of you try. Especially a seagul like Neale.

I say we screw Brisbane to the wall. And come away from this draft with Max King, Rankine and Hill.

Forget Hogan. And how do you join up to this bloody club. Where is the coupon?
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mac Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #32

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The club lucks substance and structure and that's why people are leaving in all areas.
Fyfe offers nothing to make the club a destination for a player of some note. 2019 is a season he needs to be accountable on the good or bad outcomes. Lyon and him need to get rid of the spiel, really the whole club needs to throw the book of spiel in the bin.
There was herd of elephants in that room last night.
Compared to Pav's term at the helm the club had created a solid foundation to build on which has quickly gone backwards.
I am looking forward to a stable next year as the club win games they should and hopefully a couple of bonus wins or expect turmoil changes will have to happen.
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Jezza Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #33

Jezza
Hypen, a 2 time Doig seagull if you don’t mind. Anyway Neale becomes a RFA in 2019. There’s no guarantee he’ll get to Brisbane then either. What then is a really good windfall for Neale. What’s his value. Is he worth more than Hogan or is he worth more than Gaff?
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Corporal Agarn Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #34

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Haha Jezz. Another good one you old comedian you.

It will take you a long time to come to grips with this I want generation.........except Roly of course, who wanted and got plenty more than he has deserved. .
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Jezza Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #35

Jezza
You don’t quite get it CA, do you. If and when Roly leaves, I’ll back the next bloke to the hilt, even if he’s a dud. Like Drum, Connolly and Harvey. Hey even Neesham. But you must admit, and if you’re a parent you’ll understand, the “ I want” syndrome is out of control. And it’s I want it now!!! So I’m at a stage where I give advice, I don’t take it.
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Drubbing Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #36

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Too much angst here I reckon. As usual, Jezza has gone the full pork chop. Another example of his inability to face simple facts.

Neale owes no one anything. It seems some supporters feel this is all about them, just because they've had an emotional investment in a player. That's the supporters problem.

Whatever his reasons, $$ is only part of it. So it's other things. If I was unhappy at my workplace, and unable to perform at a level I was capable of, I'd be looking for an out too. So would you, especially if it came with more pay.

58 pick in the draft and he's turned into a pick any team would take. Freo gave him a crack and he's paid back in spades with talent and hard work. If you call him a mercenary, you're a bloody idiot.
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Jezza Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #37

Jezza
Drubbing, put some pork on your fork, you’ll love it. In the short term Neale leaving will hurt but I’m sure over time that pork will taste much better.
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Hamihill Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #38

Hamihill
He's South Australian and doesn't want to go home and people are surprised. .....
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Hamihill Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #39

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He's South Australian and doesn't want to go home and people are surprised. .....
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Jason Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #40

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I’d like to address what I believe to be the ‘other’ elephant in the room and that is the coach/players relationship.

The most vocal and harshest critics of our club and in particular our coach, claim we are a club in crisis and use the recent departures of the List Manager and Head of Football as evidence.

The irony that many of these people have been calling for the head of Bond, Chris Bond, for years seems to have escaped them. I’d also note that the primary reason for our rapid decline has been the inability of our List Management team to continually bring in quality talent through the years 2012-15.

However, what we haven’t seen is the mass exodus of players that one would expect from a club in ‘crisis’ - who have stopped listening to their coach.

I’d argue the exact opposite is the case. That is, the players love RL and he loves the players back - and together they are focussed and committed to returning Fremantle to be a force on the field.

To my knowledge, the only player seeking an exit this year is LN - and he is leaving to chase $$$ & the Captaincy at BrisVegas.

Often lamented through the past decade has been our focus on ‘skinny, Victorian midfielders’ in the draft. Yet how many of these have actually left? Crozier sought a return home last year, as did Balic, but only Crozier is still playing.

So as much as the idea must absolutely infuriate these ‘fake’ supporters and devotees of the ABR faction - actions speak louder than words.

After missing out on returning, quality WA players for a few years - like Yeo - we’ve punched above our ladder position in recent years to bring home talent such as Hamling & Wilson. Albeit Wilson is our equivalent to Tim Kelly in that he was a life-long Freo fan and wouldn’t countenance a trade to Weak Coast. I left out BHill too, as he wanted to join his brother.

I know this to be true when a simple question I posed to Yeti - would the players drafted and tutored by Lyon who have turned into quality AFL stars done the same under any coach? - elicited an approx. 1000 word response that distilled down to ‘yes’. Effectively saying, as is often trotted out after a win, the players play well DESPITE the coach.

Apart from being a patent absurdity, it simply highlights how deep the hatred for Lyon runs in some people who otherwise seen to be capable of quite objective and insightful views in relation to other non-Freo related footy matters.

I will again point out, to those black-or-white only listeners, that I am no Lyon sycophant. But you cannot ignore the evidence for ever, no matter how hard you try to bury your head in the sand.

Lyon will be done as head coach the moment he loses the playing group. That could and would have already happened when you look at the on-field results the past 3 seasons.

That the playing group hasn’t deserted him when plenty of other teams have rolled their coaches during the time Lyon has been here - even though they hadn’t sunk to the levels we have - only further adds weight to my theory.
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Morgan Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #41

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Footy is pantomime, and part of the conceit is that the players care about the club as much as the fans do. Doubtless in some cases that is true - think guys Shaunny Mac, Pav and Sandi - but many players are just passing through. I'd always hoped Neale would be a one-club Freo player, but it turns out he was just one of the blokes passing through. It's a bit sad.

As someone who lives in the real world, and who likes to change jobs every few years to keep things interesting, I don't begrudge players leaving. But in the pantomime world of footy I've constructed a hierarchy of acceptable reasons to leave a club. Top of the list is heading home to be with family (especially if you have young kids). Bottom of the list is a cash grab.

Neale might have lots of reasons for leaving, and like many things on here it has become a Rorschach test of how you feel about the club. For example, if you are inclined to dislike Lyon, then you'll see Lachie leaving as a symptom of Lyon's tactics. That seems far-fetched to me. I don't know what's going behind the scenes, but Neale is leaving Freo, not to go home, not to reduce travel, not to a better team, not to a bigger club, but to get a lot more money. If he thinks Freo is heading in the wrong direction, then he's decided to hop on a plane with suitcase of cash rather than stick around for the hard graft of turning things around.

Good luck to him. It's his life, his career, and he needs to do what's best for him. Real world Morgan wishes him well and thanks him for his time at Freo.

Freo fan Morgan will henceforth refer to him as a mercenary hobbit, and remember him as a guy who racked up big stats on a bad team, but didn't have the character to stick around. Freo fan Morgan hopes Brisbane never emerge from their decade long irrelevancy, and Lachie toils away in front of 15,000 bored fans who don't understand the rules for the rest of his career. Neale will never be a life member at an AFL club, and if he never wins a premiership will be nothing a but a footnote in footy's history, He's lost the chance to be a Freo legend, but perhaps that doesn't mean much to him.

Which is a shame.

Now Rosich, you hubristic knob, squeeze Brisbane for everything they are worth, even if it means threatening to sit Neale out for a year. This isn't one of those top-of-the-heirachy reasons for leaving situations, or about a duty of care or club responsibility. This is a player, under contract, taking a transactional approach to footy. He's treated this like a business, and so has Brisbane. The gloves come off on this one.
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The_Yeti Lachy and the elephant in the room 5 years 7 months ago #42

The_Yeti
Nice effort Jason but almost none of that diatribe is true.

That response you talked about from me was pointing out that all those players you listed as 'elite' were not 'elite' players. I also pointed out it was impossible to say whether they would have played as well, better or worse under another coach. There was no 'yes' as you claim.

For someone who takes shots at supporters for 'playing the man and not ball' just because they don't blindly swallow everything that Roly puts out, you sure play the man a lot, even if you have to make up stuff to do it. Apparently, we are all 'fake supporters' now. You sound more like Trump by the day

I'll put it to you, what you are actually claiming is Roly has more 'elite' players than any other club in the league yet is achieving terrible results.

As for not being a syncophant, thats as accurate as everything else you post.

Lyon will be done as head coach when the board finally realises that he isn't going to get results, that and when they can actually afford the payout.
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