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TOPIC: Ring the Bell, looks like it's official

DS Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #57

DS
Hard to imagine him going too radical. Every chance it will be someone already working in recruitment in the club.
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Morgan Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #58

Morgan
Giving a club Director the job of GM of Football with very little direct experience under his belt doesn’t sit well from a process point, and Peter Bell doesn’t seem like the type of guy I’d get on with. Certainly, his taste in bars is appalling, so he loses huge points with me on that front.

But for whatever reason, he’s a bloke that people seem to trust. He was entrusted Freo’s captaincy and handed it over the Pav at the right time. The AFL players voted him the president of AFL Players’ Association and chairman of the AFL Players’ Trust. The members put him on the Freo Board. The ABC put him on the radio. Foxtel put him on the TV. It seems like every job he goes for he gets.

If Rosich or the Board is guilty of anything, it’s of being as taken with him as everyone else in the football industry.

The criticism about process only holds if there were better candidates available. I don’t know whether the other interviews were a sham, or whether those candidates were any good, or whether they cast the net wide enough, but as far as I can tell no-one on here does. The other option was to promote from within, but most on here didn’t rate the job Lloyd had done, so I’m not sure if that was even an option.

As to your suggestions yeti, Sanderson and Ratten seem like decent blokes, but most coaches want to coach. Sanderson is a lead assistant in a team that’s in the GF, Ratten is at the Hawks. I can’t see either leaving their high-profile coaching jobs to come to Fremantle as GM.

You might be able to get Chocko I suppose, seeing as last I heard he had been sacked by a B-grade team in Melbourne. But it’s telling that no other club has picked him up in any capacity. If the argument is that Bell doesn’t have football management experience, I’m not sure Chocko is any better in that regard.

I’d much prefer Bell than any of those blokes.
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shane Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #59

shane
That's wrong. This is a large enterprise. The process is everything.

Personally I think that the mere timing of him being on the board and the position becoming available should have excluded him from applying but I'm a bit uptight.

So moving on to second best practice, if they believed he was their best option, despite any direct experience, they should have produced a selection criteria and advertised the position. Then hired him on merit.

Otherwise how is it not just a job for your mate who you reckon can do the job?
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Jezza Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #60

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These seeking out the best candidate on merit is balony. How often you see jobs advertised as the process calls for it and the organisation has already identified the person within their ranks, regardless of the applicants and their credentials.

And correct me if I’m wrong, during the Connolly/Hart era, circa 2016, Freo after a call to arms at a mid season rendezvous, Bell was instrumental in turning our season around on that night of beer swirling party.

Don’t mess with someone from a Korean background.
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shane Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #61

shane
Look, Peter Bell is great. You wouldn't hesitate to give him any job he was ready to do. That's not the point.
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The_Yeti Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #62

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Yeah, hypen, I think you are seeing things that aren't there. Bell was on the board that appointed Lyon and came out in support of Lyon during the scandal earlier this year.

I think that he's been appointed because he's on the inside and won't allow the boat to be rocked. No way Rosich would appoint somebody who isn't toeing the party line
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DS Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #63

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Yeah, nah shane. You are right to say process is everything but advertising a position like this is a waste of time. The field is too small. Everyone knows everyone.
A reasonable amount of time expired between Bond leaving (or at least announcing it) and Bell being appointed so my guess is it took that long as they had a process in place and they followed it.
And as for experience, it's a factor but not the only factor. Otherwise you would appoint only from CV's and not bother with interviews. For a position like this you need to get the right person. That is, the one you feel can lead his team and get the best out of them. Maybe they see Belly's leadership skills outweigh his lack of exposure to drafting/recruiting and feel those already in place have enough skills in that area to make the team function well.
I know as much as the rest of you about the inner workings of the club (close to SFA), but I reckon if some person with Bell's attributes is willing to leave well paid (I assume) media gigs with all the accompanying prestige to work for the club he loves, he might just do a good job.
And as I said, as for process, there probably was one but not a public one.
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shane Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #64

shane
He's still a board member.
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Bizkit Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #65

Bizkit
The members didn't elect Bell to the board, there's no possible way for a member to run against a former player and have the slightest chance of a win. Bell was another former player roped in by the Steve's to keep members out of the board and from having any input over the clubs direction. He was a yes man who thought the same way as the Steve's.

It was effectively announced Bell would take over from Bond as soon as Bond stood down from the role. There was no process there to find a replacement, they just went to another one of their yes men with a good public profile. There's no accountability and it's a strong sign there'll be none in the future.
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DS Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #66

DS
Being a board member isn't a problem. Boards deal with conflicts of interest all the time. As I said, I have no idea what happened process-wise but the correct way to manage that conflict would be for Bell to absent himself from any board discussion about him doing that role.
If that was done, no problem at all. Conflict of interest managed.
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Morgan Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #67

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It’s a pretty niche role. There are probably only 30 people in Australia with what you would consider had something approaching the requisite experience, and few of them would be willing to change jobs and move to the other side of the country. Did you really expect them to advertise the role on Seek?

You have assumed they didn’t kick the tires on the half-dozen or so people who might reasonably be considered for the job. I don’t know if there is a good basis for that assumption. My guess is it started before the announcement that Bond was stepping down, but again that's an assumption. Certainly Rosich has shown in the past he's not above sounding out replacements while there is an incumbent in the role.

Perhaps we turn the corner next year, but there’s a good chance we’ll be a club in a state of flux over the next few years. Rosich’s time is up, Lyon could be gone in a year. We’ve just lost Bond and Lloyd. I know many on here don’t value continuity as highly as the club seems to, but I can see the benefit of appointing someone who knows the workings and challenges of the club to this role. As Hypen pointed out, this is a management role. To support Bell, I consider it very important to get quality people - and in my view outside people – into the key technical and professional roles of list manager, and, I suspect, a new head of sports science, or whatever Freo call it.

Like I said, it’s not a home run, but it makes sense to me.
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shane Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #68

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I feel for you, Morgan. You shouldn't have to keep defending poor managerial practices.
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The_Yeti Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #69

The_Yeti
Jezza, I'm not surprised you consider going through a proper process baloney. The process is proper because it's shown to produce the best results. There is a reason that organisations go through a formal process. One of those reasons is avoid making bad decisions by appointing unqualified people.

For a critical appointment, you need to look for the best qualified people who for your organisations needs. Appointing somebody who is already a part of the 'failed' process is hardly a recipe for success.

Particularly when your organization isn't performing well, you need to be very careful who you appoint to critical positions.

Jobs for mates doesn't really cut it
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Jonno Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #70

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Biskit, Bell and Peter Mann are the member elected board members.

www.fremantlefc.com.au/club/administration/board
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