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TOPIC: So what's a Pass Mark for 2019?

Svenny So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #29

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I understand the spirit of what IMHO was gunning for in looking for a ‘pass mark’. Paid commentators also throw this around, without what I take as a fellow supporter’s sincerity, but…

A good year for any AFL team is qualifying for the Finals.
A better year is having a couple of wins in the Finals.
The only pass mark though is a Premiership.
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Raglan Matt So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #30

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That's not just spuds, Yeti, I like my mashed spuds (with real butter) and I got a long way to go to match that.
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The_Yeti So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #31

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I'd say his investments are doing well.

I'd probably make a comment about budding er somethings but perhaps best not to go there
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shane So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #32

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Bizkit So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #33

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You never judge a rebuild by wins/losses until the side is ready to perform and compete which definitely won't be next year. I don't care how many wins we had last season, this or next.

As Polly rightfully pointed out, it's about the way the side plays it's footy and how the kids are allowed to learn and develop, to become the stars of the future. Sides like Carlton and Brisbane have enjoyed fewer wins than us but have allowed those kids to flourish and show off some skills which provides hope and entertainment for their supporters. I personally have really enjoyed watching Brisbane's underrated kids this season and have a few smoky's prepared for the DuFFLe next year!

At Freo, that hasn't really happened much bar a couple of moments of individual brilliance from Cerra and Cox. The side has played horrible footy even in victory, inspiring very little hope for the future. The kids have received game time but not to flourish and play with the flair and the skills they were recruited for. They were thrown into a system that beats them down and has them struggling to impact the game.

RL has never had to rebuild a side, inheriting nirvana at his two clubs with incredibly talented and ready to challenge lists. It's boosted his record as a coach dramatically and he's only now getting the chance to experience a rebuild. I had my doubts as to his ability to rebuild and mould a side from scratch and these 3 years have only confirmed them.

The question is, how long do we continue down the wrong path and condemn our next generation of Freo footballers to a lack of success before we try to do something about it? Two years time might be too late.
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FDB So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #34

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My Freo fan dinner party menu to combine potatoes* and the shell game**:

Roast some medium-large potatoes in jackets. Halve them when done.

Scoop out all the flesh other than 5mm or so on the skin, and mash it to your preference. Mine tends towards shedloads of butter and a clove of finely minced raw garlic.

Reserve mash to accompany your choice of protein/veg for mains. Roast bone-in shoulder of escaped goat is recommended. As sauce, a jus of the roast juices, some good stock and mixed vegetables, strained then thickened with the blood of your enemies. If time is limited, a panfried breast of eagle is a worthy alternative.

Meanwhile, prepare the entree. Adorn the potato shells with crisped bacon and a good sharp cheddar cheese, then bake/grill until melted and browned lightly. To serve, arrange upside down on a large tray with plenty of extra space.

Place a single olive under one shell, and in all of them stick a toothpick with a little flag on it, identifying Coach, Board, CEO, Players, Youth, Leadership, Travel, ETAF, etc etc.

Once at table, invite your guests to choose the shell which conceals the Olive of Responsibility For All Our Woes, while switching them subtly around and mumbling incantations about Accountability, Sustained Success, and the Not Making of Excuses. Palm the Holy Olive, and slip it in the plastic wallet on your lanyard.

Every oliveless shell must be consumed in one mouthful by whomever chose it, while singing the Volga Boatmen intro to our old anthem.

Serve mains as if nothing unusual has happened.

There will be no just desserts.

*may contain traces of Peter Dutton
**and to achieve Roly-style spread
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rogerrocks So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #35

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Let me know when you are having your next dinner party FDB!
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Bizkit So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #36

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I should point out when rebuilding a side, it's important to allow players to make mistakes and learn. The rigid and overly structured football that Pav enjoyed under RL but didn't get under Harvs, does not allow for that.

Having drilled instructions and plans hammered into young players focuses far less on their skills, awareness, courage and development as a footballer. It stunts their growth at an important period of their learning as they are always trying to figure out where they should be on the ground in differing scenarios, what they should be doing when they get the footy and generally second guessing themselves or lacking the confidence to attack and take the game on.

A well established player like Pav can handle the addition of rigid structures as he is not a player who had much more to work on in terms of his football. An 18yo kid however needs that freedom and backing, the ability to go out there and improve their ability to be a top notch footballer which is one thing Harvs was so good at as a coach.

RL may love his players and many may love him. That doesn't mean he is good at rebuilding or doing the correct things to rebuild a side and this season has overwhelmingly proven it.
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hypen So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #37

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We'll get nowhere until we manage injuries better.

It's happening every year.
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Grub So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #38

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2005 Freo beat the Pies by about 20 goals I think (Freo scored 180 points that day).
That’s entertainment (cue The Jam) ....
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Morgan So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #39

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I'm just wondering which young players creative flair is being limited? Langdon has at times been a marvel running between the lines and taking the game on. Brayshaw was running all over the place from the midfield. Cerra has been exposed to a range of different roles. Banfield nailed his first couple of months a tagger and Lyon released him to get the ball. Giro is a loose unit and still gets a game. Duman is taking the game on, and missing targets all over the place, but hasn't been dropped. Cox has been given a chance to be a focal point.

Aren't all these guys gaining valuable experience?

FWIW, I thought a pass mark this year was 10-12 wins, and we'll fall short. I assumed a little more availability of our best players (I probably shouldn't have), and I didn't count on Lyon playing so many rookies.

I think about 12 wins is a pass mark next year. If we want to be contesting for a flag in 2020, we'd want to show a fair bit of improvement next year.
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Corporal Agarn So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #40

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Okay, after seeing that photo i think we can cut Roly a bit of slack. Realising that it's going to be a loooong rebuild he's obviously taken the father/son rule to heart for the sake of the club.
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Bizkit So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #41

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Do you really want specific instances where young players have been too focused on pushing back to a position, they completely ignore providing an option the other way? Or where players have received the footy only to hesitate and not know what to do with it?

Regardless of what examples I provide to illustrate my point, I'm sure you'd point out the players are young and inexperienced so the blame can be laid there. It's not too difficult to disseminate however between a brash, young and reactive decision and a worried, calculated and overly thought out decision.

The amount our young players are forced to run back and retreat, to fill space and not run forward and present correctly are also symptoms of a failingly rigid structure. So are the likes of Cox and Crowden leading our GPS numbers for KM covered.

It's not even just the first/second year players but those like Tucker, Sheridan and co who have not come on as much as they should have. They still worry with the football and second guess.

Just playing games doesn't automatically have you learning and becoming a better player. It's how you play them and RL is not doing the kids any favours.
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Raglan Matt So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #42

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Langdon, Brayshaw and Cerra, (and Brad Hill), have done plenty of running through the lines, then they are left stranded because no one is in any position to receive the footy in front of them, I watched Duman a little closer on the weekend, and he seemed in the same boat, go for what instinctively seems right, but no-one is there because of dumb structures and over - defensive game plans.
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