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TOPIC: So what's a Pass Mark for 2019?

guy smiley So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #15

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I mean, how long does a rebuild take?

You could say that back in 2007, the fans were asking this so it's not as bad not as good. We'll look at what we get and review, we'll take away and do our learnings. It's what we do as a...


you know what? Screw that.

The rebuild excuse has been in play for 3 years. If Freo don't storm up the ladder and present a serious and credible threat to whoever they play then it's a fail. No more spin. No more weasel words. Straight talking reflected in hard football on the park.

you know... what a real football club does.
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Corporal Agarn So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #16

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Sorry Mr Smiley, but that sort of justifiable response will get you another quick deflection of ....but what about Melbourne, look how long it's taken them....
That suits some much better than aiming to be like the more ongoing successful teams.
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The_Yeti So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #17

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Yeah but Corp, we're a no excuses football club....right up to the point where we have to produce results. Then we're a nothing but excuses football club.

Besides, we keep getting told that Roly is the man...genius coach...the man to lead the rebuild. We are told that every time the heat is put on Freo. Maybe its time that we were coached to those results. Its time.
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pollyanna So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #18

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The end point in this production process is the spectator - you grow, harvest and sell your potatoes for someone to buy and eat them. If people are getting sick eating your spuds the whole thing falls apart. That's the reality of it, there's no point trying to plant a crop next year if no one will buy them.

I, and most of (if not all) of us here, can't eat these potatoes. Almost everyone outside of our community are much less forgiving of what Cockburn Control are bringing to the market. They avoid the late free to air games on Sunday arvo that lays our potatoes out for the hardest of appetites. We love potatoes but we can't eat this stuff. The sport produces something for the spectators of it and our club puts up something which is unwatchable. It wears you down to the point where Dance Boss is a welcome relief.

It just doesn't come down to wins/losses to me, floggings or triumphant victories. I just want my football club to be the Fremantle Dockers again. If the blight that has camped out in the organisation isn't wiped clean this year - no matter what the cost is - well, we'll be sent to Tasmania. It's a former penal colony after all, and we've earnt it.

For me the time has run out on this crass shell game. Our games are unwatchable. Enough is enough and it's time for a real rebuild (not a phoney one). If you think holding on is an option, that a few more wins and a few honourable losses indicates anything, you're just plain stupid.

No offence intended to anyone.
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The_Yeti So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #19

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In this ever shifting blame game, maybe its time to take step back in examine our position.

i. The board signed up an expensive coach for 5 years
ii. The results on the board 43 losses in 63 games haven't justified that decision.
iii. When they had the chance to change coaches earlier this year, the board reiterated its earlier decision.

Question: Were there any KPIs attached to the coaching position? If not, why not?

When the coach is put under the spot light, the usual excuse is 'young list', 'developing', 'don't have the players'

So, has the management of the club let the coaching panel down by not managing the list to give him the players he needs? Do we blame all of this on the List Manager. Well, he's gone so there is every chance at that but if we blame the List Manager, why wasn't that failure addressed in each of the end of year reviews? Every review has told us we are on track.

Its like a shell game. The ball isn't under the shell marked coach. The ball isn't under the shell marked Recruiting. It isn't under the shell marked Management. If there is no ball under any shell, then its a con, like most shell games.

edit: Just read Polly's post - agree with the shell game comment. Its how you shift blame without anyone actually wearing it

When does the WAFC step and demand some accountability because there has been zero accountability for any of this.
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rogerrocks So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #21

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So the revolutionary idea of actually making it more exciting to go to the footy. Who would have thought.

But Roly is anti-excitement. He wants a nice safe system where you grind out a win. The trouble is that we are fickle and many of us will forgive bland footy if we are winning. So Roly doesn't really have any incentive to change the way we play footy, other than to start winning more than losing.

My bet is that we win just over half our games, and the disquiet with Roly drops away a bit. But we still won't get enough excitement at the footy. I hope I'm wrong.
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Jason So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #22

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So when was this previous period of success that Freo had that we should be striving to achieve again - you know, like other ‘proper’ footy teams?

We’re obviously excluding the Lyon era as apparently he can’t coach and hasn’t done anything like create an environment where sustained success is possible.

Ok, I’m taking the piss now.

But back on topic, retaining Cerra and our other core group of talented youngsters, winning between 10-12 games and making Perth Stadium the new House of Pain - primarily and literally for Weak Coast.
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Grub So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #23

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That sage Ashton Kutcher once said “Entertainment, really, is a dying industry”. I think he had been to a Freo game and it’s been that way down at Freo for quite a few years now.
I’ve seen some cracking games this year and Freo hasn’t been involved in any. Sure we have won some but nothing to get excited about.
Time to entertain folks and put bums on those expensive seats. I want Freo to be scoring goals not grinding out boring wins. I want a team that I can be proud to support not one I have to hide away from like a dirty little secret.
Just winning won’t cut it for me. It soothes the pain but doesn’t heal the wound.
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Walter the baker So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #24

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A minimum of a goal in each quarter would be an improvement.
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Raglan Matt So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #25

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So, Polly, the $64,000,000 question, who is the Tony Galati of the AFL coaching ranks?
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The_Yeti So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #26

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I reckon Lyon knows a thing or two about spudding it up, RM



Looks like he might have enjoyed a few spuds. Interesting that he talks about the spread...
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shane So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #27

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I'd like to hear more from Ashton Kutcher.
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blockerhall So what's a Pass Mark for 2019? 5 years 8 months ago #28

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Yes. And Nic Nat.
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