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TOPIC: Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy

hypen Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #29

hypen
And those who are talented don't stay. Duffield alludes to the following in an article today, Fremantle are in for a post Graeme Richmond/Kevin Sheedy vacuum soon.
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Corporal Agarn Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #30

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So you can actually have a greater vacuum in off field personnel than we already have?
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Noddy Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #31

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I’m beginning to think Roly went to the Clive Palmer school of management. It will be very interesting to see who we can get and how the FFC footy department structure looks next year.
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demo1 Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #32

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I cant believe some DLers think Lloyd did a good job. He was terrible.
Two main issues - He was unable to find a replacement for Pav by recruiting eastern states skinny midfielders and refused to acknowledge WA players in the draft.
The list of players that stuck out like the proverbial (to anyone with any WAFL knowledge) that he didn't recruit or allowed others to recruit were astounding. Where are our local scouts??
also, there were at least ten players that we should have rookie listed the year prior to them being drafted that would be in our best 22...
McGovern x 2, R Lobb, C Cameron, M Adams, J Johannisen, T Kelly, D Cameron, Liam Ryan, N Broad, S Menegola etc This year we can add 4 or 5 others that should be on our list like Corey Gault and Marlion Pickett..
We have the WAFL on our doorstop, we should be approachable to all clubs and have an incentive in place to introduce and draft local players. Instead we see clubs/players actively not wanting to come to Freo - that is sad..
Bring back Phil Smart
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purplereign95 Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #33

purplereign95
I know this is a weird questions
but should we judge Brad Lloyd on
First Round Failures (seems like a nuffie) or Late Round and Rookie Gems (seems like genius)
or on both and the balance seems to be pretty good but also pretty average
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shane Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #34

shane
You'd judge him on the state of the list.
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Morgan Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #35

Morgan
I think judging a recruiter’s performance on the strength of the list excludes factors outside of his control: like what assets he had to work with, how the players applied themselves, what luck they had with injuries, how the club developed those players, and how easy it was to get free agents and trades to walk through the front door.

Blaming someone holding a bunch of late-first round picks for not finding a once-in-a-generation player like Pav seems a bit harsh. Blaming someone for not spotting certain rough diamonds in the WAFL for the rookie draft also seems harsh when in Lloyd’s time Freo found Matt de Boer, Clancee Pearce, Michael Barlow, Alex Silvagni, Lee Spurr, Sam Menegola, Matt Taberner and Bailey Banfield in the rookie draft, and plenty of gems late in the national draft.

It would have been interesting to see how our team looked if some of our first-rounders had panned out.

Morabito (#4) is 26 years old
Jayden Pitt (#20) is 25
Josh Simpson (#17) is 24
Michael Apeness (#17) is 23.

Those players should be part of the core of our team, but didn’t pan out. Mora was a great pick until his body gave out, Pitt might not have been anything but it was too early to judge. Simpson didn’t work out, but I thought it was a good pick, and Apeness has never got a clear run at it because of injuries. That’s not so say any of them were bad picks (although Pitt probably was), given the ‘first rounders’ were actually second-round picks in disguise. Still, how much better would our team have been if the Sutcliffes and T-Bones of the world were squeezed out by Morabito and Simpson? We’ll never know.

He’s put in 11 years at Freo, I’m sure he’s worked hard, he’s not been given the arse, and another club thinks enough of him to give him the job of making sure a club legend (Silvagni) doesn’t bugger up the place. Thanks for everything Brad. I’m not sure if you were any good at Freo, but I hope you suck at your next gig.
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Raglan Matt Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #36

Raglan Matt
Agreeing with you again, Morgan. Although we may disagree on why some people regard Lloyd as a failure. I would like to see whether another coach could make Lloyd look like a genius, and I am of the opinion that there are quite a few who could. Don't forget most of his picks have only operated under the Bond/Lyon regime, so have not been able to display all their talents.
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Raglan Matt Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #37

Raglan Matt
After 7 seasons, these are who we have left.

The two key people in a rebuild are the coach, who develops talent, and the list manager, who identifies it. One of those people is now gone through a well-worn exit door with half the rebuild to go. Football manager Chris Bond is still there. Strength and conditioning coach Jason Weber and much of the training and medical team are also still there.

Anyone see cause and effect in the reasons why we are where we are.
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Flag_2005 Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #38

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It amazes me how quickly Dockerlanders embrace the opinions of journos from The West when it suits their narrative.

Lloyd was with us for 11 years and has no doubt been offered a decent pay rise to go with the decent elevation in responsibility at an AFL club which is based in the same city in which he lives.

It’s not hard to see how his departure from Freo could just as easily have nothing at all to do with Ross Lyon.
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darthmarto Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #39

darthmarto
I thought Ross was responsible for an Italian bridge collapse this week ...
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Noddy Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #40

Noddy
I doubt very much any decision to recruit was made by one person.
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Jezza Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #41

Jezza
Lloyd leaving has nothing to do with Roly. If anything, he would have endorsed Lloyd’s appointment. He’s given Freo, 11 years of service. The next step is a footy boss which he’s accepted. There’s no hidden agenda here. Hopefully we’ll get another guru that we’ll continue some of the recruiting successes we’ve had.
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Jonno Brad Lloyd to carlton as head of footy 5 years 8 months ago #42

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Lloyd was working part time for Fremantle. Of course he would want a full time position as head of football at Carlton! He seems to be highly regarded and is well qualified for this position. Thanks for 11 years of service.
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