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TOPIC: As bad as it's been

Corporal Agarn As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #113

Corporal Agarn
Sustaining suckcess Drubbing?
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Derby12 As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #114

Derby12
It's dire.
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Grub As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #115

Grub
I don’t disagree Hypen but you have been quite selective. Shirley you see potential in the likes of Blakely, Langdon, Darcy, Brayshaw, Cerra and the like?
I think the difference between then and now is expectation.
I’m not going all Jezza here and I think the coach might need to go but there are some positives.
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FDB As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #116

FDB
Was "Sustained Success" really just autocorrect gone wrong all along?
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ICONDOCKER As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #117

ICONDOCKER
But more importantly how’s the property prices in Cockburn?
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hypen As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #118

hypen
Grub, they're all reallly solid players, perhaps Cerra the pick of them. But I don't see the real class in key positions that lifts you up the ladder.

No game breakers there other than Cerra. We have talent and we'll get better but how much?

I fear there is a touch of Carlton to this rebuild; cutting too deep too quickly. Given our dire draft positioning this year we'll need another two years after this.
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The_Yeti As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #119

The_Yeti
Hypen,

That situation may in fact get worse if Cerra doesn't agree to stay here but we all hope that he will.

On the other hand, if we change our approach and adopt a less defensive game plan, I can see us improving faster than most would think. I think the quality is basically there in the playing group but I'm not convinced we are getting the best from what we have. I've said that more than once.

If we had somebody like Simpson or Clarkson, I could see us playing finals in a maximum of 2 years and possibly 1 even with our poor draft position this year. Even then, if we use our 'dud' picks to upgrade our rookies and then rookied some new talent, our drafting position may not be wonderful this year but it wouldn't be completely terrible and we did ok with our drafting last time so the poor position this year isn't without its benefits.
Egurls Suck!
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Morgan As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #120

Morgan
I’m not quite as pessimistic Hypen. The best version of our team looks good.

I think we’re set in the backline with Pearce and Hamling holding down the defensive key positions (I reckon they’ll be fringe AA defenders for the next five years) and a combination of Wilson, Ryan, Blakely, Logue and S Hill playing on the flanks. That’s a very good backline that will be better with another year together.

Our centre square of Sandi/Darcy, Fyfe, and Neale (with Mundy in spells) can be elite at winning the ball. Our outside runners in the Hills and Langdon are really good and another pre-season should see Brayshaw, Cerra and Banfield add to their output.

There is talent in the forward line, but even with another year there are a lot of question marks: Can some combination of Tabs, Cox and Apeness stay on the park and give us enough marking options week-to-week? Can we get anything out of McCarthy or Bennell? Will Walters be able to play a whole season? The best version of our forward line could be ok, but we’ve never seen it and there is reason to think we never will.

But for me the real question is will we see any more young players push up to be valuable contributors, either in the starting 22 or as injury cover. Langdon has taken a huge leap this year, as had Blakely before he was injured. Will anyone do that next year? Can a Duman or Tucker or North make a leap? I think a team's bottom 6 players shape success at least as much as your top 6. Our bottom 6 on the weekend (Duman, Matera, Giro, Jones, Sutcliffe and Tucker) aren’t really AFL quality, at least not yet in some cases.

Our trading and drafting has been good lately, so perhaps will we be able to slot another player (of the Wilson or Hamling calibre) in the forward line where we could use help. Will our first pick contribute as much as Brayshaw and Cerra, and will they be a forward?

Our best team next year is good enough for the finals, but with so little depth there’s no margin for error. How we add to that depth will determine how we go next year.
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guy smiley As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #121

guy smiley
A lot of gloomy talk about poor drafting position...

but none about potential free agent pick ups. Freo's got plenty of cash. That list as Morgan outlines it only needs a couple of decent top ups to look pretty sharp.
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Noddy As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #122

Noddy
We’ve lots of positives but also unknown quality of depth because of injuries, young age and lack of exposure some of the young blokes have to AFL.

If we were doing ok I reckon some like Tucker and Hughes would lift to another level.
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Freo66 As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #123

Freo66
We don't do free agents,

Unless they are slow, fat, injured, overrated, unwanted or overpaid.

Period
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mac As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #124

mac
Cloke is still a chance if he's able to stand upright and be able to fit into a jumper.
Which was the same form he was in when we went after him.
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Morgan As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #125

Morgan
D Pearce is a lot of things, but he's not fat.
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hypen As bad as it's been 5 years 9 months ago #126

hypen
The backline looks great.

You need about seven competent contested ball midfielders. We have three stars and Bailey Banfield. The wings and flanks are fine but Fyfe, Mundy and Neale are having to do too much around the ball. Mundy will go soon.

We need more contested ball mids, which from a list management standpoint is inexcusable.All we bloody did for three years is draft mids.

The forward line is a glut of tall mediocre players some who struggle to lift their hands above their heads, and Walters.

I'm sorry , this isn't solving itself anytime soon.
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