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TOPIC: Nyhuis

Jezza Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #43

Jezza
The losses to both Bris and Dees highlighted our soft underbelly when it came to contested ball and tackling more specifically. So we upped the ante against Port and Nyhuis became our badge of honour. While the criticisms are aplenty, our intent rarely gets questioned. Our next 6 games, where 4 of the last 5 at Optus, while not season defining, will at least revealed whether this young team can maintain the rage like against Port. We’re at 7-9, with 6 to play. I think we’ll be a nuisance team for finals contenders, especially the mob.
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shane Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #44

shane
Do you ever get dizzy doing laps of that fish bowl?
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Raglan Matt Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #45

Raglan Matt
Ants and flies are a nuisance when you are having a BBQ at Whiteman Park. We really want to be a little bit more than a "nuisance", Jezza.
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Corporal Agarn Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #46

Corporal Agarn
I think our intent does get questioned. There was a lot of it about after the Brisbane game for starters.
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The_Yeti Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #47

The_Yeti
Actually, Shane, you are not correct.

The penalty is 3 or more weeks according to the MRO grid but the Tribunal is not bound by that.

The Tribunal, unlike the MRO, is supposed to hear submissions from both sides and can add or reduce the penalty based on the facts presented to it.

The club could have made a submission that the 'facts' presented by Gleeson were not correct (they weren't)and that Nyhuis didn't deserve 3 weeks but less.

We didn't do that. We could but we chickened out. The egurls got Whatalottahooey down to a week for a tackle that was arguably worse. We didn't even try
Egurls Suck!
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Jezza Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #48

Jezza
Yeti, Gray was stretchered off. He was out for 45 secs or thereabouts. I thought he was lucky to get 3 weeks. The fact that Nyhuis was extremely remorseful was because he feared his actions could have caused Gray some serious hurt. We don’t want kids to think that that was ok.
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Raglan Matt Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #49

Raglan Matt
Sandi copped a punctured lung, which is pretty serious, but no-one copped a penalty for that. The AFL gradings are just a weasel out clause when they need it. Likewise the medical reports. When was the last time a player was suspended for hitting a Freo player, due to an adverse medical report? The AFL don't even make them public, so anything could be in them.
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The_Yeti Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #50

The_Yeti
Jezza,

Its a pity you don't support the players the way you support the coach.

Nyhuis didn't pin the arms and there are photos to show that in spite of what Gleeson claimed.

Gray's head wasn't driven into the ground in spite of what Gleeson claimed.

Gray contributed partially to the outcome by dropping the ball and trying to kick it away to avoid the HTB call.

It wasn't a tackle over the boundary as claimed, it started well inside the field of play and momentum carried both players over.

It simply wasn't a vicious tackle from Nyhuis. Had Gray actually used his arms to break the fall we could have been looking at a free kick reversal rather than 3 weeks. The club has a history of rolling over and copping it rather than backing its players. Yesterday was yet another example.
Egurls Suck!
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Morgan Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #51

Morgan
The grading system is far from perfect, but it is for the most part reasonably clear. This incident couldn’t have been graded any differently.

By arguing for less than 3 weeks you are asking the Tribunal to effectively rule that the grading applied properly led to an inadequate result. I don’t think there were enough mitigating circumstances to do that. The only mitigating circumstances I can see is that in that split second Gray could have done more to protect himself, but this wouldn’t persuade the Tribunal, because (rightly) the onus is on the tackler not to injure the player with the ball with a dangerous tackle.

Nyhuis is a young guy playing for his career, who attached Gray with great ferocity and laid a poorly executed tackle. The margin between a good tackle and a dangerous one is very fine and 9 times out of 10 there isn’t too much consequence – the player dusts himself off and everyone moves on. Nyhuis and Gray were both unlucky it didn’t pan out that way. Sadly for Nyhuis, it means he gets a spell, and he (and hopefully others) will put a little more focus on the way they tackle because the possible consequences for someone like Gray are enormous. I don’t want to be hyperbolic about it, but Gray has a 6 month old at home, and I’m sure that is his biggest priority in life now, and that he wants to spend a long, happy life with his family. How many hits like the one he took on Sunday does he have to get until his career and life outside footy are jeopardised?

Lyon came out and defended Nyhuis in his press conference. I’m sure he has the support of the club. By (effectively) accepting three weeks it gave the AFL counsel a chance to himself come out and credit Nyhuis’ character, which I think is important.

He’s a bit unlucky, but that bad luck occurred when Gray’s head hit the turf the way it did, not because of the club he plays for or the way the club handled it. I think a couple of weeks was probably about right, but again, he was a little unlucky with the way the grading system works.
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guy smiley Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #52

guy smiley
Just switch the roles and see a Freo player knocked out and the same people crying about not doing enough to defend Nyhuis would be marching down the internets again with pitchforks loaded up with burning hay.
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Raglan Matt Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #53

Raglan Matt
Yeti, the original free was paid to Nyhuis, for incorrect disposal. What occurred after that was only the continuation of the tackle, which we see week in week out. The AFL came out a few years ago and stated that it would be the potential for injury, not the resultant grade of injury which would decide the penalty in these types of incident.

Had they continued to apply that mantra, I would happily accept that Nyhuis should get 2 or 3 weeks. They don't, see the example of Walters/May above, the Natanui incident which was as bad as Nyhuis, but was argued down to a week. There were several tackles the week before against Melbourne that saw a player go head first into the turf and get up dazed, at least 1 by a Freo player. If as some are arguing, the AFL is trying to prevent injury from these tackles, why are they selective in their approach.


Back to Walters again, who gets hit in the head regularly when he goes for the ball, even some D/L posters subscribe to the theory that his opponent should not be penalised because Walters contributes to the damage. Gray contributed in no small way to what happened to him, and that should give mitigation to Nyhuis. Freo did not even attempt to argue that.
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The_Yeti Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #54

The_Yeti
Exactly my point, RM.

There were grounds for mitigation that were not argued. Mindlessly applying a grid without dealing with the factors at play isn't supposed to be the way things are done.
Egurls Suck!
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Raglan Matt Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #55

Raglan Matt
The AFL did not mindlessly apply the grid when Franklin elbowed Hamling and left him dazed. All I want to see is consistency, and we are not getting that at the moment. The gradings as argued by Morgan are a joke. We saw with Walters punch to the stomach, Christian and co grading it medium impact, and May being graded low. The incidents and force were identical but Christian is comfortable with 1 being graded medium and 1 graded low impact. What a joke.
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Flag_2005 Nyhuis 5 years 10 months ago #56

Flag_2005
RM you talk about seeing these incidents week in week out and non Freo players receiving lesser penalties. Can you put a couple of them up for us to compare to Nyhuis/Gray?

I accept that as a general observation Freo get a comparatively crap run with the umpires. It’s not, however, the result of an AFL conspiracy. Equally, we’ve had a few rough outcomes at the MRP/tribunal over the years but that’s not an AFL conspiracy either.

If there is a conspiracy of sorts going on, the Nyhuis/Gray incident and outcome is not the one to prove your case.
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