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TOPIC: Forward Line Woes

The_Yeti Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #15

The_Yeti
Jezza,

you like others on this site are quick to take a cheap shot but when you're put to it, you cut and run. While you're not the only one, you're right up there.

I'll ask you again (not expecting much) but before the game you went on and on about how we beat them by 10 goals, had good players coming back, yada and I spoke about needing to play smarter than the last 5 derbies and not hoof it in long and high and feed the intercept marks.

Again, which one of those happened?

Claiming the intercept mark by McGovern, Hurn etc had nothing to do with the loss is stupid and anyone who claims that either didn't watch the game or is trying to avoid the obvious. Between Hurn and McGovern there were 22 intercept marks. There were many others of course but it only needed 2 of those to go to a Freo forward and we would have beaten them and the maggots. We knew that would happen because it happens every derby.

We can't control the maggots and we can't control all the clearances but we can control how we enter the forward 50. We didn't. We failed there big time as was said before the game.

Pretending otherwise is crap.

So again, which one happened Jezza?
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The_Yeti Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #16

The_Yeti
Oh one more thing for those who are quoting stats, maybe you should quote all of them and not cherry pick.

The slime had 10 more inside 50 entries than we did 45 t0 55 in the slime's favour. From our 45 inside 50 entries, we had 22 shots on goal, which means 23 were intercepted. The slime had 28 shots from 55, so a slightly higher percentage.

We had the opportunity to play smarter because we know what they've done to us in the past. We didn't act smart we acted dumb and lost. That was something we could control and we didn't learn from previous faliures. Thats entirely on us. Hide behind the maggots all you want but we could have and should have won that game
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Drubbing Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #17

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WC have a well balanced side and a dangerous forward line. Simpson is a decent coach, I'd have him in place of Lyon anytime.

Where WC fall down is away games against solid teams, when Dalgleish and Margetts aren't umping.
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The_Yeti Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #18

The_Yeti
Simpson certainly has a good record against Lyon but I still wouldn't call him a decent coach.

A decent coach wouldn't take the soft way out with their 'play for free kicks' approach. A decent coach would get them to play footy not free kicks. Then they be able to win away.

On today's game, they got another armchair ride but also Kennedy is still building from an extended layoff so wasn't at his best today. They are likely to improve on today's performance. I just hope that we do
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Suker Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #19

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Yes Yeti...we did play a little dumb. Playing only one tall forward was a mistake. But if we are playing smaller then we needed to deliver accordingly to our forwards. On top of that I thought our forwards did not anticipate or move to the right spots for the incoming kicker...several times behind their opponent etc. And kicking it long to Sandi when he is forward is one thing but it needs to be getting there a lot quicker so there aren't 10 defenders swarming around his feet.
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purplepower Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #20

purplepower
We need to improvise better
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The_Yeti Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #21

The_Yeti
Suker,

Thats one of the points I was making. The way we entered our forward 50 was beyond stupid. Our response to losing Taberner was to go in small, which is ok if the deliver the ball low and to advantage. Going in small, then delivering the ball long and high against a team with good intercept markers is hardly smart.

A smarter way would have been to go in low and get the ball to the ground more. Hurn is ok but McGovern is hopeless below his knees. If we can't mark it then put before the players on the ground and have them run on to it. We would have had more shots on goal that way
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Morgan Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #22

Morgan
Yeti, I said we had 'roughly the same efficiency for our forward entries', but you're right, for completeness I should have said we had 49% to West Coast's 51%.

I would have thought fewer inside 50s was just further evidence of our midfield getting beaten, so I didn't mention that one.

I'll try not to so egregiously cherry-pick stats in the future.
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Corporal Agarn Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #23

Corporal Agarn
Egregiously you say! Could you please include that somewhere in your brewery report?
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The_Yeti Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #24

The_Yeti
Fine then Morgan, now discuss how we entered the forward 50 and played right into their strengths and our weaknesses.

Seems nobody from the 'I love Roly' camp wants to address that one. Apparently one of the Freo ass coaches said before the game that we wouldn't kick it in long and high because of the interceptions hurting us...then we did just that.

In fact, I can only remember McCarthy looking for and hitting a target in the forward 50 but I'll look again on the replay if I can stomach watching that game again
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Noddy Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #25

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We had almost no big forwards, 5 blokes with about 20 games between them and nearly beat the plonkers and some are cranking up the busted coach bashing record again....no idea.
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Morgan Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #26

Morgan
McGovern has one real job: plonk himself at the place the other team is most likely to kick it, and then try and mark it. It turns out he's really good at it - All-Australian good, two years in a row.

As I said earlier, the best way to stop him doing that is to have someone good enough that he needs to man them up. We don't have that person.

So, if McGovern is standing in the most dangerous spot for Freo to kick it forward, the options are:

i. Don't kick it and wait for 30 men to get behind the ball;
ii. Kick it to a less dangerous spot where he isn't; or
iii. Kick it to the dangerous spot and hope someone makes a contest.

None of those are good options. There is the magical-unicorn-tooth-fairy option of somehow in a game of high-intensity and while being smashed in the middle we slot 45m diagonal bullet passes to Ballantye and Matera, but that's not really a high-percentage option, and they don't create any separation on a lead (Matera for one is slower than I had remembered).

If anything, I though we tended a little too much towards kicking it to less dangers spots down the flank to avoid him.

But sometimes when you're under pressure in the middle, the only option other than getting tackled and getting pinged is to roost if 50m as far forward as you can. We did that a bit today, but that's how these things go in a Derby. West Coast we just as guilty of that most of the day.

I think you need to acknowledge that McGovern is really good. We all know we were going to be at risk of him picking off kicks with no arial strength to speak of. That doesn't mean it's easy to fix.

I could have told you that if West Coast were running into the 50m and could hit-up JK on the lead he would kick some goals. He did, but that doesn't mean Pearce did anything wrong, or Lyon could have done anything to stop it.
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purplepower Forward Line Woes 6 years 3 weeks ago #27

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TheYeti results are a fact and the time will come as we all hope that Ross will have to deliver.....sooner or later excuses will count for nothing.....that's
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larkin Forward Line Woes 6 years 2 weeks ago #28

larkin
I'm a happy Roly fan. I thought it was a good game and our backs for the most part were pretty good. Fyfe was down as was Hill. MJ couldn't quite cover for Tabs or match NN in the ruck. And Ballas couldn't quite cover for Walters. 211 tried hard but found his limit. Langdon and Tucker did some fine work. The newbies are getting better and Crowden must be pinching himself to have played so many games already but like Duman made some glaring mistakes (as did most) but thats to be expected. All up and with Walters out, the dodgy umps we did well to kick a higher score than any other losing side. (I'll say that again in case you missed ….it we did well to kick a higher score than any other losing side this weekend)
We have some testing times ahead But with 8 new faces in the side and more to come I remain optimistic.
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