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TOPIC: Hypothetical Coach Trade

guy smiley Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #43

guy smiley
Let's not get too carried away with how anyone deals with trained mop heads masquerading as reporters on tv, that's incidental.

Noddy, yeah... getting there is an achievement but it's not the sort of thing you'd look at on a CV at an interview to inspire you with confidence.. 'oh looky here, this blokes made it to 16 Grand Finals. Oh.. but he hasn't won one...' I 'm exaggerating of course but when you've experienced the heady terror of being sideways in a P76 you feel you can a liberty or two.It's flagged as something of an argument sealer here too much. RoLy's got his teams to 4 but he hasn't won one yet and if he doesn't he's a bridesmaid to history.

there may well be a few laps left in the warhorse BUT successive years of spin and an apparent disdain for the supporters, as opposed to media, leaves a lot of room for scepticsm and that's where we're at here. Some of us see the upside and hold faith... fair enough. Some of us have seen a little too much spin and disappointment and that is spilling over enough to antagonise others. Get some wins on the board and everyone will relax a bit and enjoy.

As for the coming weeks, the word out of the team itself pre season was using 4 homes games from the first 6 as a springboard for the season. That's their aim. I'd expect 3-4 wins minimum then, and healthy percentage.

We should know by now that percentage matters when you're crossing the country every week. That's an area of concern. RoLy needs to get his teams scoring more. He's admitted that... for a few years, now.

Anyway... as for trading him out as per the hypothetical raised in the OP... I dunno. I reckon getting to know who's coaching well in lower grades or as assistants would be a good move right now. The next coaching success will need to innovate... how many of the current crop are doing that?
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Noddy Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #44

Noddy
There’s a bone and lots of dogs. I’m heading to the bakery.
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Raglan Matt Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #45

Raglan Matt
The myth of effort winning games seems to be perpetual. Effort doesn't win games, as we have seen on plenty of occasions. Skills win games because you use less effort than the opposition, and can use your skills for longer, and more effectively. Going with the cars analogy, all the rally drivers these days have the AWD mid size cars, not the big grunty Ford and Holden rear wheel drive V8's. All the effort or grunt in the world doesn't get them around the corners on dirt tracks.
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Blue1red1, jimb2, Bizkit said You Beaut

Docker by the Sea Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #46

Docker by the Sea
RM one of the things that I have noticed is when teams bring effort, intensity and a thirst for the contest skills seem to follow, hence the occurring of a team being “on”.
Last week we brought that, recently we have brought a vague resemblance of that. I don’t know how that is achieved but it is the responsibility of the coach and playing group to harness this. Lyon has been very effective at times in achieving this and recently not so much. The playing group has been turned over now, continue to find those that will regularly deliver.
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Raglan Matt Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #47

Raglan Matt
Have you not thought, DBTS, that when the players bring the skills, everything else seems to be "on" because they are not too buggered from wasted effort to execute everything else.
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Blue1red1 said You Beaut

Suker Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #48

Suker
Blight coached 4 losing GFs.89, 91, 94 and 95. Didn't look like he knew how to win them ..then won a couple in 97-98. What did he do so much better with the crows? Then his st kilda debacle. Was he a great coach or just lucky? Lucky is my guess. I haven't got a clue really and only criticise and applaud our coach based on my emotive reaction at that time.
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shane Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #49

shane
A team had a terrible start to the season and the coach as sacked. There were a lot of applicants and they held a special board meeting to decide who the new coach should be.

The president stood up, took half the applications from the pile and threw them out the window. The other board were shocked and demanded to know what he was playing at.

He said 'Well first of all we need to weed out the coaches who are unlucky."
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rogerrocks, Raglan Matt said You Beaut

Suker Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #50

Suker
Yep...that makes as much sense as some of the other guesswork going on.
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Raglan Matt Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #51

Raglan Matt
And was one of the coaches who was lucky enough to get through, unlucky enough to get the job?
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Suker Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #52

Suker
Yeah...st kilda thought they would go with lucky coach...and lucked out.
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Raglan Matt said You Beaut

Jason Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #53

Jason
Just to clarify an earlier comment about Hawthorn - they missed the finals the year after their ‘08 flag (which some say they pinched from Geebung by abusing the rushed behind rule - that was subsequently changed by the AFL before he next season) and the next final they played in we beat them at Subi in an Elimination Final in 2010.

Clarkson, like Matthews before him, was not above exploiting loop holes to get a competitive advantage (remember the Lions half-time ‘rehydrating’ IV’s?). When you push boundaries like that it’s bust or glory. Hirdy took it one step too far and we all know how that ended.

I’m not suggesting they cheated but you could certainly raise a few ethical questions about those tactics.

Point is, Lyon was literally a bounce of the footy off winning a flag with St Kilda in 2010. If that bounce went his/Milne/St Kilda’s way, I dare say that he would have never been let go by St Kilda and this topic would be a moot point.

The simple fact is he is the most successful coach in our history - without, IMHO, the most talent-ladened lists the club has had over the journey.
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Blue1red1 Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #54

Blue1red1
Seriously Folks,

4 pages of Gold. Great reading. BUT......

Reality is, coaches are leaders who try to inspire people to achieve the very best, and generally bring a group together to play as a team, assign a culture, behave as 1 and sign on to whatever they have agreed too as a group. They are measured by an external success and an internal success.

However, if the Board and admin are not aligned and backing it up you are screwed.

Like it or hate it, Hawthorn have got it going on and so do Subi in the WAFL. Sydney have it going on too.

We don't at Freo at the moment.

Our admin and board remind me of the Nedlands Council.

We are not going to have success until the coach steps up and sets some clear directions of what success looks like externally and internally and that is conveyed and benchmarked.
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shane Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #55

shane
Bloody Nedlands council.
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jimb2 Hypothetical Coach Trade 6 years 1 month ago #56

jimb2
90% of what is written and said about coaches is bunk. 90% of what coaches say in public is bunk. Enjoy the ride. For my money our best media performer by far was Chris Connolly who just talked amusing junk. He seem to say ludicrous things and get them taken seriously. Ross is a bit too reality-based to do media. In my ideal world he could appoint a comedian to feed the seagulls.

The real business of coaching is in the details. It is unsensational, it doesn't get reported, and most people would not want to read or hear it if it was. Nor could they understand it, anyway. Everyone thinks their game day narrative is what coaching is about.
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Suker said You Beaut