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TOPIC: Keep, trade or upgrade.

Docker by the Sea Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #29

Docker by the Sea
Despite him being no good he is one of the few on our list other clubs will be interested in. Given our current position you do have to wonder why he wouldn't warrant more games.
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thegeniusthatis Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #30

thegeniusthatis
Jezza, you're great. You are such an optimistic individual. I bet you don't see yourself as a glass half full kind of person, rather there is a whole ice-cold jug.
I think our deficiencies are telling. The key personnel we lost in the interim are immense and largely irreplaceable - Pav, Elvis, potentially Sandi for long stints. To then lose quality like Dawson and Mayne doesn't stack up. Now, we are likely to see Johnson on the way out, so it is all boys, and Spurr. Finals might still be some way off, but things should look more settled next year if anything and that should see improved performance and results, but finals? Not so sure.
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Morgan Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #31

Morgan
RM, as I have said numerous times, including in this post, based on our current list I would have Tabs in the team for his contested marking.

But that is one attribute. Another attribute is his frequent gifting the ball to the opposition. There is an official stat that tracks errors, and he is a league-leader in it, despite modest positive contributions.

To put it in context, how do you feel about Levi Casboult? To me he's a great contested mark who is so useless with the ball as to make him only a fringe AFL player. And yet statistically he is exactly the same player as Tabs but has vastly superior kicking efficiency and way fewer clangers. Imagine being a key forward that is significantly worse with the ball than Levi Casboult?

So when Lyon says Tabs is at Peel to work on some things, I believe him. We were burned relentlessly by turnovers this season, and Tabs is a turnover merchant. It's something he should be working on.

As for Sutcliffe and Sheridan, like Tabs they are placeholders for better players that we don't yet have; although I actually think Sutcliffe is unfairly maligned. He's played out of position in the backline, and that's also where mistakes are magnified. For the record, he has a much better kicking efficiency and is responsible for almost half the clangers of Tabs.

Tabs has a tough call to make. No club drafted him, and Freo took a punt on him as a rookie, and in that four years he has been given the chance by Freo to play professional football and work on his game. He's just about to enter his prime and he has to decide whether the club that gave him a lifeline - but not a regular spot - is where he should spend that prime. Freo suck, and he's a Victorian lad, so it would be completely defensible if he left.
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Dockermus Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #32

Dockermus
Morgan, I'd like to believe that Tabs feels loyalty towards the club that took a punt on him and the coaches who have steadfastly worked with him, hoping to turn him into a top-class forward, a true successor to the irreplacable Pav. Unfortunately, like all other professional footy players, he has an agent. With a quite different agenda. So it's most likely he'll be a hugely successful, big marking, goal scoring forward with an undeserving Victorian club in 2018. Damn!
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Raglan Matt Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #33

Raglan Matt
Morgan, there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. I would have Tabs way before Casboult, and I don't see him being the worst in the comp for turnovers, he is not even the worst at Freo, unless he turns the ball over a hell of a lot at training.
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beenquietoolong Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #34

beenquietoolong
.....being fairly new'ish to this forum, can anybody tell me who are recruitment department are ? We have failed so miserably in this area before and yet the people within this Dept. seem to be faceless ghosts. They need to be held responsible for some of our effectiveness within the afl competition. Can we really trust their decision making? Wouldn't it be nice to know that some people within the decision making side of things actually looks at this forum and understands what our faithful and loyal supporters really think !! Why / how can the likes of WC Eagles get 3 players; Vardy, Mitchell & Petrie..........all in the back end of their careers......and if it wasn't for those 3 they probably would be playing finals footy again next week. How can so many teams seem to get recruitment right and we get it so miserably wrong so often?
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bluepup Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #35

bluepup
The recruiting ghost does have a face with a bald head on top.
As for the slime recruiting the one year services of petrie and mitchell, agreed it might well have got them in the finals but it wont get them to the GF. With priddis getting the boot and these two leaving, the budgies will have a large hole to fill and will take a necessary and timely dive next year.
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Jezza Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #36

Jezza
The Slime recruiting both Petrie and Mitchell was a desperate act of "we don't win a flag this year, premiership window closed indefinitely". The win against Adelaide was inevitable, with the Crows not playing for much. So I would say, the crows tanked. The win against Port, well you be the judge. GWS are licking their chops. So let's not make a case for the Slime recruiting, because Jetta and Redden are still useless along with Hutchings.... The question perhaps needs more scrutiny is our fitness and conditioning staff. The jury is still out on that issue.
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Morgan Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #37

Morgan
BQTL, to answer your question, our Football Operations GM is Chris Bond, and our List Management GM is Brad Lloyd.

I'd suggest you use Dockerland's Advanced Search function and search for "#$&%ing Bond", and once you've finished reading those posts in the next month or so, head back and I'll morgsplain why he's actually done ok with what he's had to work with.
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Suker Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #38

Suker
But really, why give up pick 5? For Hogan? No way, he would be handy but surely we ca get just ss good eith pick 5, and hopefully a more reliable kick. The fact with Taberner is that ee need him on the list for now, whether or not he can cement a spot. It's called balance.
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Corporal Agarn Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #39

Corporal Agarn
Don't know if beenquiet needs or wants any morgsplaining. He seems pretty definite in his opinion already.
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Morgan Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #40

Morgan
No-one wanting morgsplaning has never stopped me in the past.
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Dockermus Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #41

Dockermus
Bond, Chris Bond ticks off Item No 1 on his end of season to-do list:

Ballas gets another year
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Detox Keep, trade or upgrade. 6 years 7 months ago #42

Detox
No not really Suker pick 5 does not guarantee someone like Jesse Hogan.. Jesse Hogan has done what not many key forwards have ever done and he was pick 2 in the mini draft.. Would I bet my own hard earn against pick 5 vs Jesse Hogan not in your life.. Jesse is worth more than that.. Scott Pendlebury is the best pick 5 in recent years, their actually is a few duds.. Make your own call www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-history
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