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TOPIC: WAFL Finals

shane WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #127

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Perl's existence or lack of it is irrelevant. It's about the way Fremantle stack the side with AFL players in the finals.
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Dockermus WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #128

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I'm not so naive as to hope all Dockerlanders will agree with me on this point, but in my opinion, all true Dockers fans should be pleased that Peel are making a success of their alignment with Freo, because what’s good for Peel is good for the Dockers, in the long-term. The clubs are natural partners, given the ugly bias shown by the local media towards both teams.
If there is a genuine problem with the number of super fit, AFL quality blokes playing finals footy, then the WAFL should consider tweaking the player qualifying rules into some sort of acceptable compromise, that doesn't overly-favour Dockers list management. As Ross Lyon says “winning and losing” is his “fundamental philosophy.” This obviously extends to Peel, so Fremantle will continue to get the most out the alignment, whatever the rules.
It’s not unreasonable to expect that a Peel (or EP) squad for finals footy would be selected only from those players who are no older than, say, 24, or have either played more than 50% of the WAFL season, or more WAFL games than AFL games, in the qualifying season.
If there really are only 10000 true WAFL fans left, then the problem lies entirely with the WAFC, because, maybe, the competition has become unappealing to the broader population. It’s easy to blame the AFL, but what’s really being done about attracting and retaining new paying customers?
If the average WAFL supporter was honest about the situation, then he or she would admit that much of the mud being thrown at the Peel-Dockers alignment relates to the unfair expectation that little Peel Thunder will remain as eternal competition easy-beats, leaving Subiaco/SF/WP/Swans to take turns at the WAFL premiership. That, as far as I can tell, is how things are "meant" to be.
If it was an East Perth-Weagles team breezing into this year's GF, none of these bile-filled articles attacking the alignment model would have been written. Instead, we would have been offered whimsical stories about the Egurls incredible depth of talent, how bright the future looks for Meth Coast, and how brilliant it is to have a strong local competition providing a conveyor belt of talent to support the Slime's next AFL premiership...
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Corporal Agarn WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #129

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I think Shane's point boils down to the fact that although we are playing by the rules we are not morally doing the correct thing.

The problem there of course is that when it comes to morals that's not something that is big on the agenda with the Freo board.
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shane WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #130

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I don't know about immoral but it is irrational, unnecessary and, ultimately, self destructive.
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The_Yeti WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #131

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Its all very well talking about not acting morally but its only a reasonable argument if you ignore all of the other factors.

Is Peel getting a benefit for THIS finals series? Yes it is. Is it a fair benefit? Arguably, yes.

As part of the alignment deal, Peel HAS to play Dockers players during the season. This benefits Freo, of course but it can disadvantage Peel by not allowing it to develop its own, non-Dockers players. So, those who are arguing that Peel shouldn't be playing Freo players in finals ignore the fact that without them, Peel wouldn't have a full squad to select from.

I cannot see any logic in the argument that Peel can play Freo players during the H & A games but lose access to some of them when the finals start.

While their is merit in saying that players like Dawson, Griffin etc are taking away finals experience from younger players, it has to be noted that that has been the case all season. There is no perfect solution and this is the solution that the clubs signed up for and took the 100k per year in recompense.

If you wish to exclude players for finals then how do you compensate the alignment clubs for not having the squads and the players to even up this loss. You can't but nobody seems to want to acknowledge this. The players play for Peel during the season and if they qualify for finals, they should be available for selection. Arguments about the integrity of the competition are nonsense when the integrity isn't there anyway.
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shane WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #132

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Oh, so you think Peel are running the show. Now I understand.
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The_Yeti WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #133

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No, I don't think Peel are running the show. I think quite the opposite.

I just don't think that setting up Peel to fail each year lends anything to the integrity of the competition. I also don't think that a single club like Subiaco, that by virtue of sharing the home ground with two AFL sides and getting a massive financial advantage adds anything o the integrity of the competition, although it seems to be ok for some.

Which WAFL club has dominated the last decade. hint, it isn't Peel.

Where were the 'integrity of the competition arguments when Peel got shafted by having players taken away when Freo was playing finals? I guess integrity wasn't so important when that happened.
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Jezza WAFL Final 6 years 8 months ago #134

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In my experience, your development as a player improves significantly if you're training, competing and learning from better players. Furthermore your chances of getting identified as a talent increases if you happen to outplay, outwit and beat your opposition ( e.g. an AFL listed player). I've played in comps where teams were stacked with "A" grade players playing in a "B" grade Comp. The results were surprisingly encouraging. Townsend's article sparked debate for all the wrong reasons. Perhaps the content should've been more about how the alignment has improved playing standards, which had EP been the subject, the matter of stacking a side would have been a moot point.
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charlies tree WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #135

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The biggest advantage Peel have is they smash the Wafc -Wafl recruitment points system.Originally bought in to stop Subiaco loading up with ex Afl players.And make Wafl clubs develop there own players.
Each Wafl club has a points system for its top 45 players.Points can not exceed 120.
A player through the Colts system 2 points.
A player recruited from another club non Afl 6 points.
A player recruited from the AFL 12 points.
A player recruited from the AFL that originally came from your club 3 points.ie David Ellard,Clancy Pearce,Jamie Bennell at Swans.
Peel playing 16 Afl players =192 points.3 of the Peel based players came from other Wafl clubs=18.The other 3 are through there colts system =6..The total points =216..
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shane WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #136

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You're talking around the issue a lot, Yeti. As if: Yes it's not fair but Peel deserve it.

The whole deal is supposedly to improve Fremantle's prospects in the AFL. How does Peel winning a premiership with veteran AFL footballers get the Dockers even one win closer to a flag?

They're not even going that hard.
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snoop WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #137

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Isn't this the same problem as WAFL Clubs (or Clubs any other League) dropping qualified League players down into their Reserves grade team to win Finals?

Does that compromise the Reserves Competition?

Claremont is doing it right now.
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The_Yeti WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #138

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Thats just not right, Shane. Not even close.

Its not as one dimensional as you are making it out to be.

Freo's motives are ti improve their prospects at AFL level by having all their reserve players playing in a single team and Freo having some control over their development. For that to happen, peel has to give up things like control over their playing list. Freo can and does exclude players from selection or put limitations on game time, position played etc. Look at Bennell. Restricted game time but he still took up a full position.

As for fair, it is simply not a fair competition. $ubiaco has had a massive financial advantage due to the AFL clubs for well over a decade and they have simply dominated the competition.

I've heard no complaints about that screwing over the integrity of the competition. No complaints when Peel loses players because of Freo's decisions.

If you really want to have integrity in the WAFL competition then you will have to start by excluding any involvement by any AFL teams. Club alignment or no, any involvement by AFL teams will affect the integrity of the competition and not just when Peel gets to play AFL players. You don't get to pick and choose when you respect integrity
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Corporal Agarn WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #139

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If the WAFL had any integrity or were worried about a fair and balanced competition they would and should have helped Perth years ago.
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charlies tree WAFL Finals 6 years 8 months ago #140

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Good comment Corporal Agarn.Perth have been declined a 24 point increase two years in a row now .Two recruit a couple more marquee type players like Clint Jones.
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