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TOPIC: Urgent new coach needed

Raglan Matt Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #85

Raglan Matt
For all those "we were lucky to win 3 close ones" advocates, remember we were unlucky to lose some close ones as well.
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Ricco Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #86

Ricco
I used to be a huge Roly fan. Even recently I thought the fact is that we haven't lost a player walking out on our club for years was a ringing endorsement for him.

However truth is we stopped being members about 3 years ago. I used to religiously watch every Dockers game, now I'm lucky to watch one every month.

He coaches a terrible brand. I can't stand it. It is like watching a 1-0 win in soccer - a win is great but it is boring along the way.

I hope he leads us to the promised land but I don't think he can. His style was right for 5-7 years ago when the AFL was congestion based. I have seen no evidence that he is flexible or can adapt his style.
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Jezza Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #87

Jezza
Well articulated Larkin. Many have posted their thoughts on game plan, Roly's pressers, our recruiting team and the management at FFC. Some inspiring comments but plenty of negativity. And it happens mostly when we lose. I wonder if the same people voice their opinions during different coaching tenures like Drum, Connolly and Harvey with Rick Hart at the helm or even the bloke before him. I'm saddened in a way because no one goes out playing a team sport to lose. And coaches are not put up on the payroll to cop hidings every week. The fact remains, if the Board ( many are very successful people in their own right) believes that Roly, his game plan and his coaching staff, are the right people to bring us premiership success, then we pay our money and support the regime. If you continue to pay your money but persecute the people in charge, I guess you're entitled to do so but I've got to ask why. There are 42 blokes on our list that wear purple for a reason and the majority wouldn't want to be anywhere else.
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shane Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #88

shane
Traditionally people blindly support a club, not a coach or a board or a regime.
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Dockermus Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #89

Dockermus
True, Shane, but that loyalty also earns the right to articulate the question "what's going on?" when a team so full of talent plays as badly (again) as the Dockers did at the weekend.
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cletus Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #90

cletus
I'm more than proud to say I blindly follow the Fremantle Dockers. But I certainly will never blindly follow a coach, or a.board, and will most definitely blindly follow a bloody regime!!!

All the 3 above factors are entitled to be questioned, you wouldnt be doing your job as a supporter if you didn't.

A supporter base that is opinionless would be a pretty bland thing I reckon...

AwFL football is governed by two things nowaday, Jezza - ratings and 'bums on seats' . When both those start to fail - and I believe we are at or a bit beyond that point - your regimes tumble....

I think the supporter base is 'patient' at this stage, but I'd reckon they wouldn't stay that way for long if the skills and gameplan dont change....
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DS Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #91

DS
"So full of talent"? I think you're gilding the lily a little bit there Dockermus.
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Dockermus Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #92

Dockermus
The Round 18 team included:
Logue
Darcy
Fyfe
The Hill brothers
Walters
Weller
Mundy
Blakely
Hamling
McCarthy
Nyhuis
That's a reasonably talented bunch, I think.
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DS Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #93

DS
One A-lister, a couple of B-listers and a bunch of promising young 'uns is about it.
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exceed Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #94

exceed
What a lot of nonsense not to question what is going on.
The club had a few years of finals agreed. But our fall while other sides still compete has been disappointing. ala Hawthorn whose skill and teamwork made us look so second rate it was embarrassing. It still hurts.
Whenever you criticize FREO , people get all offended,
Off course Freo do some things right. They bloody should it is their job.
But they are not elite by any stretch of measurement.
Dont compare ourselves to St Kilda or lions , but compare to Sydney, Adelaide, Geelong , Hawthorn and even west coast.

To have planned so poorly for the departures of our legends , to have over estimated the list in 2014/15 and to continually not recruit sufficient talls in the past and rely on midfielders has not been elite. And while we accept non elite performance we will be a non elite side.
To have started the year with the side we had and to have non tried our youngsters in the JLT showed us where Ross and his team thought we were. We only changed when we were so completely humiliated against Port was Ross Lyon's team changed, ( NOT BEFORE). To then somehow manage to have a similar side to go to Adelaide and be humiliated again , he was again forced to relook at the team . I think he now gets it and am pleasantly surprised that he has not managed to somehow to wiggle the old players back in.
As for his game plan , it looks so different to the elite sides , I am not sure. I will let others comment on that.
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The_Yeti Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #95

The_Yeti
So, here we are again, going over the same old ground and getting told that we 'need to analyse', 'listen to the press conference a few times until we understand' and 'how the coach pretty much has it right' and thats all done without a shred of critical analysis.

wellSo, here we are again, going over the same old ground and getting told that we 'need to analyse', 'listen to the press conference a few times until we understand' and 'how the coach pretty much has it right' and thats all done without a shred of critical analysis.

Well, I'm all for a bit of analysis. Lets look at what can be learned from our recent games.

We lost against the slime. Actually, we lost that game the same way we lost the previous derby. We went in shorter than the eagles and then proceeded to kick to their taller marking defenders, one of whom got man of the match. We had a poor defensive structure and allowed Kennedy and Darling to collect comfortable marks.

We had more inside 50s because we have a better midfield yet the same number of scoring shots and still lost by 30 points. Doing that once is poor coaching when we knew what was coming. Doing it twice in the same season is so stupid its bizarre.

It was a game that featured poor planning and very poor skills and poor skills seems to be a feature of our time under Lyon.

Then there was Hawthorn. Everybody knows they play an outside, skilled, uncontested brand of football. So we let them play the game on their terms. We structure up for a contested game and a contested game only, then we don't get one and have no plan B. Its really not much of a secret how Hawthorn play except perhaps to our coaching panel because we let them do that unopposed every time. How many times have we beaten Hawthorn under Lyon? I think the last time we beat the Hawks was under Harvey because played a brand of footy that didn't give them complete use of uncontested ball.

But, hey, Bloody Harvey, right?

We have decisions being made that don't make sense and don't bloody work but we get the same decisions being made week in and week out in the hope that maybe one day they will work. Seriously, using Ballantyne as our deepest forward simply because he can run fast and then kicking it to him high. Thats an example of decisions that don't make sense.

I'd have more confidence if our coaches could learn from past mistakes but they are clearly incapable of even recognising them let alone learning from them.

As far as comments about Tabs being correct, again thats crazy talk. Lyon refused to even explain why Tabs couldn't be selected because 'thats between me and him'. How that gets judged as being correct is beyond me. Its just a little more nonsense from a used car salesman who is trying to flog a tired, worn out old Valiant and telling us that one day it'll turn into a Merc
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Jezza Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #96

Jezza
That's a great list of young talent except for Mundy who's a 30+ year old player. Add to that Bennell and A. Pearce and others like Cox, Ryan and perhaps a couple of trades this year and another top 10 draft pick where other than Logue and S.Hill, we've been lacking, all of a sudden these last 2 years becomes a distant memory. That talent pool, if Roly can't do anything with them then he deserves what's coming and I'll be the first to put my hand up and say I'm wrong. I'm sure that that won't be the case.
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The_Yeti Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #97

The_Yeti
DS,

No idea what you're smoking but it aint legal.

Which one of Fyfe, Walters, Mundy, Stephen Hill, Brad Hill is the sole A lister and which are the couple of B listers? Which of those doesn't make the 3 names as A and B listers?

They all look A list to me and most others. Guys like Weller, Hamling and McCarthy would make any B list and all look likely to step up....as do a bunch of those talented youngsters.
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mac Urgent new coach needed 6 years 9 months ago #98

mac
I support couple of football a teams. All play like millionaires for a couple of weeks then play a game of first day Auskick with no skill kicking and marking. But the coaches don't say kick or hand pass to your opposition, spoil your team mate, kick to a three to one contested mark and miss goals from 20m out.
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