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TOPIC: The Young Players Excuse

hypen The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #43

hypen
When they dont take that risky option through the corridor on transition, when three go to tackle simultaneously, same in the air and when they dont take the difficult but correct kick into the forward line and when handball is an offload of responsibility more than a pass to advantage. I blame coaches. Lyon is trying to make it an execution thing when in fact its a non execution thing. You will always hear after a loss,"we knew what they were going to bring", the subtext of that is - I wasnt outcoached on the day. And he wasn't outcoached on the day, just every other day.

When Hawthorn turn it over its from trying to make a play, they will get better and better and win another flag eventually. And we will stay in our shells. Look at the way he smashes his ass coaches in the box. What on earth do you think those players are copping behind closed doors!
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Raglan Matt The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #44

Raglan Matt
You make a good point Hypen. We don't reapply pressure when we turn the ball over across the centre. The ball is too often kicked backwards from there or sideways, or as you point out fired out with a handpass to a player who is already tackled before he receives the ball. The good sides fire it straight back where it come from to catch the defenders on the hop.

McCarthy has been touted as the answer to our forward problems, but he is not. The answer comes from either Cox or Tabs. Playing as a pure forward. If they have to give Darcy a rest then Darcy goes and plays as a pure forward. Play one of Ballas, Weller, Tucker or Langdon as a small forward who stays forward, and if you want the rest of the forward line to get back across half back, let them. At least when they hit a contest in our forward line then they will be front and centre going towards goals. Which if you look closely is how Walters has kicked most of his goals this year, and how to stop the easy rebound.
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purplepower The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #45

purplepower
Results are the fact ,football is not rocket surgery.....Ross ?? Anyone thinks that the market is going to keep spending top dollar to watch such a poor spectacle must be deluded ....over the years football has changed you need to move with the times
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rogerrocks The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #46

rogerrocks
So PP, you are giving Roly the option of either trying to rebuild a side so that it can challenge for a premiership, or have a side that plays attractive footy. If you prefer the latter option, Richmond fit the bill quite well.
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purplepower The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #47

purplepower
What I'm saying the game has gone past him and the way he perceives football I believe will not get us anywhere close to a premiership .... I hope for Fremantle that I'm wrong
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Derby12 The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #48

Derby12
I can see what is really happening on the field. Suggesting that because we can't see what goes on in the rooms, or that we are "fingernail deep" analysts is a cop out - an excuse to not analyse or bring any critical faculty to bear on the situation.

A bit like using a 4 year rebuild as an excuse for non-performance on the field.

A rebuild focuses on personnel, but the existing personnel during the rebuild should be able to grasp and attempt to implement a coaching strategy during that rebuild. Especially when half the side was around during the previous implementation.

I think that Lyon's plan needs players the ilk of Macfarlane, Pav, Fyfe, Johnno & Sandi (champion KPPs) so I worry that the "rebuild" is us killing time and opportunity while we try to unearth similar, or realise that without them we will at best be a competitive top 8 team with no real chance of pulling off the big one.

But as much as anything, if we are on a journey, I'd like the club and coach to at least come out and explain what the journey is and how we are going about it. He may not have been able to coach, but Connolly could communicate a message. Being kept in that dark and treated like chumps with a succession of throw away lines does not predispose me to sit back and just assume that "top men" have got it all under control. Especially when all the signs on the field are to the contrary.
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rogerrocks The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #49

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He didn't say exactly how it would happen, but he did warn us it wouldn't be overnight, and would take ~four years. I'm as delusional as the next bloke, but if its going to take 4 years, that means that in that time we aren't actually going to win most of our games in that time Indeed we are going to lose some quite badly.
I just watched the presser, and I get the feeling that Roly cares a lot, and is hurting. Of course I could be wrong, it could all be an act for the cameras, and when he gets home he swims in his money pit. But I think he's hurting.
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itscraptacular The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #50

itscraptacular
I'm a Crozier fan, but I'm not sure what he was doing out there last night.

We seemed to be chasing all night, with Hawks players running in threes with a free player ready to receive an (accurate) transfer.

And what is it with a lack of patience outside the 50? We just bomb it straight in. The week before the Slime played with it around the outside of 50 and waited. Hawks seemed to do the same, but we try to head straight in there without targets.

Bring back SuperPav - at least he'd draw away three defenders.
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Jezza The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #51

Jezza
Crozier has butchered the ball at critical times. That's not the coaches fault. The majority of us only sees the negatives when losses occur. Listen to players that have played under Ross and you don't hear what most are implying here. He's got the plan to win finals much like Longmire has for Sydney at the minute. Fyfe wouldn't have signed a 6 year deal if he didn't believe in Roly's vision. That's the best endorsement of Roly and his coaching staff. Let's not forget season 2017 will only see one champion. The rest will have to start again. Some starting well behind us because they'll lose they're aging and experienced personnel. We're in good shape.
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Corporal Agarn The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #52

Corporal Agarn
If we're in such good shape name me a player besides Blakely and Hughes who has had a better year than in 2016.
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cletus The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #53

cletus
Zac Clarke's had a pretty good year, I reckon......
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Raglan Matt The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #54

Raglan Matt
Who's been touring this year Cletus? I'm out of touch with the music festival circuit at the moment.
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cletus The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #55

cletus
Rather hopefully theres a "no mosh pit " clause in his contract, so I presume he's only been to Adele.....

Q. Why isnt he at the facility where Nic Nat is??? Ie what are we doing to rehabilitate him?? Hope its more than 'Pool Cleaning Duty'.....
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Corporal Agarn The Young Players Excuse 6 years 9 months ago #56

Corporal Agarn
Good point. I haven't heard of him being an undercover uber driver once.
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