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TOPIC: Forward line

larkin Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #43

larkin
it wasn't structure, it wasn't the newbies it wasn't the coach it was our (mostly) experienced players kicking points that lost it. add to that bad passing by all and sundry and what the hell was that last 50m penalty for? (I know I saw a couple of vice cross the line without penalty.)
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Down on down Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #44

Down on down
When we played them earlier this season, McGovern took so numerous intercept marks in the defensive 50 and absolutely killed us. You would have thought that Roly would have learnt from this and implored the team to kick it to anywhere except where McGovern was positioned. Sadly, as we know this wasn't the case. Maybe the visible disconnect is between the players and Roly and not so much the midfield and the forward line.
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teasea Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #45

teasea
If we are going to persist with Jonno til season end play him forward. At least he is a tall and can
Mark or knock it down. Bit slow for backline these days. I know he was forward in last qtr but need someone there permanently. Let Cox Nyhuis play in defence which is what they were recruited as,
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Docker76 Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #46

Docker76
The big concern is that even when we got to the GF we still kicked the ball to the opposition backline - (lake) even with different personal same result
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Corporal Agarn Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #47

Corporal Agarn
Which shows D76 that in all that time our skill levels have not improved at all. In fact we can even bring a guy from another club in Brad Hill where he was renowned for his foot skills and quickly making him as sh*thouse as the rest of the team.

Do we have a skills coach? If so he should hand his wages back.
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Gerovich Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #48

Gerovich
Interesting that you bring up Mayne's quote on tackles v goals, Timmeh. When asked about Tabs in his presser Roly seemed unimpressed with his 5 goals, more interested in some other measures it seems.
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Corporal Agarn Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #49

Corporal Agarn
What is that? Why would you not acknowledge the efforts of a guy who has kicked 11 goals in the past two games? He also had a heap of kicks and marks.
I'm not a big Tabener fan but to me that just sends a completely wrong message. What more can the guy do and why is it so frickin hard for this coach to give public praise to his players.
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Gerovich Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #50

Gerovich
Agree with that CA but I also thought kicking goals was really the point. Roly can measure what he likes but surely it is with the intent of kicking goals? Or is he measuring forwards on 'goals prevented'? Sadly this could be read into our 'forward structure'.

We see poor delivery into the forward line all the time, from experienced and inexperienced players. My guess is that this is because players don't know what to expect when they get the footy and look forward. Is there anyone ahead of me? Who? Which way will they go?
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Derby12 Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #51

Derby12
my two cents on the forward line :

i) All our players seem gun shy. Why try to pass when you are inside 50, or 55m out and heading goalwards. Chances of error in a kick-mark-set shot in a congested forward 50 have to be higher than an an instinctive shot on goal. Why handball to someone when you are 30 out and not actually being tackled. Don't try to work it around until someone is in the perfect position - snap the f*****g thing. It's what forwards do. This over-use is killing us, and this has to be an instruction from the coaches.

ii) if you think it's hard playing in our forward line, spare a thought for the guys who have to deliver into our forward line when there are 1-3 unmanned, loose backmen filling space, double teaming and prepping for the intercept. Now add some fatigue and a bit of opposition midfield pressure. Poor bastards. Maybe if we had some players down there to make the backline accountable, there would be some space for our midfield to kick to, the forwards to lead into, and the delivery might not look so bad?

iii) Ross said in the presser that the forwards were leading to the right places, clearly laying the blame on delivery. I was at the game and for the most part all I saw was confusion - often no presence or our own players contesting themselves. Ballas, McCarthy, Kersten, Taberner. Ballas and McCarthy are smart footballers, but they can't get near the ball. DeBoer, Barlow. Even Pav could barely get a touch there last year. Mundy and Weller have struggled to get touches when shifted into those forward roles. Walters is doing well because he is basically in the midfield. Is this coincidence, or does someone need to actually look at the structure (or lack thereof) and ask some hard questions? At the moment, our forward line is a graveyard. It's where good players go to die.

The forward line is part of the team, not some bolt on accessory. We are missing quality personnel, and putting them down there in any sort of meaningful numbers would involve a serious restructure up the field where we currently play the numbers. Ross's presser suggests that at the moment, he doesn't see these as problems, and anyone who buys into the argument that we would have won if we had kicked straighter, has missed the point as well.

This will not be a quick or easy fix, and we will not be a good team until it is sorted.
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shane Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #52

shane
In summary, this is what's happening

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Gerovich Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #53

Gerovich
Pretty much Shane, yeah...
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clinical Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #54

clinical
Flood back, win the ball, stream forward kick it to the oppositon, rinse repeat.

That's our game plan.

If the forward line had a combination of skill and structure we would have a chance. At the moment we have neither.
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Raglan Matt Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #55

Raglan Matt
B1R1, Freo players probably need to start dealing with these blocks, it is what is killing our chances in the forward line as well. A big percentage of the intercept marks are because our forwards are shepherded out of the contest. Kennedy had players blocking Hamling & co illegally all day, it was how he found space. Our forwards tried that tactic, but it is a free kick offence so it doesn't always work. Get Fyfe down forward and tell him to "Tony Lockett" every contest. They will soon stop holding out and blocking then.
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cletus Forward line 6 years 8 months ago #56

cletus
I hate us losing to the Eagles, but, yes with a young team, yes, we shouldn't expect much. And yes, they showed some endeavour and they showed some fight and if an experienced, sublimely skilled player like Brad Hill Kicks the 3 sitters he missed, well... we are well in that game and probably in front.

And, as Ive stated before, competitive losses playing the kids -I think - is the best way to go for the remainder of the season, and we are doing that job pretty well.

However, one would hope we are teaching the kids something at the same time. I'm very worried abourt Brennan Cox for example. Big lump of a kid at 18 - as big as Pav at his biggest - and someone who is renouned for 'clunking 'em '.

What did he learn yesterday - and what will he ever learn in RoLy's mindless non - existent forward structure??? He took 3 marks, was no where near it for most of the day, and would be completely excused about where he's meant to be. Its got to be damaging to his development.

Imagine Brennan Cox playing for The Slime, where lead up forward structure play is practiced and honoured.?? Suddenly you have a young CHF developing his skills, as a lead up marking forward, and becoming the player he should be.

He's got no chance of becoming that at Freo, and that's entirely because of the way our coach structures up his footy, and it is a bloody big problem!

Anyone thinking that everything is ok ...we just need to get some games into them (and this was the main theme of Ross's presser) is stark raving mad! It also matters what they are being taught.
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