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Raglan Matt Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #29

Raglan Matt
Morgan,

I) Players like Mikey Walters already get suspended for accidental and glancing blows, so there won't be any extra outrage.

ii) Your statement earlier in the post so I can see why the MRP (being made up of former players) is inclined to lean more towards a fine than a suspension as a penalty; while saving the heavier suspensions for blokes hitting players with their head over the ball, or swinging their arms wildly in marking contests.
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Morgan Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #30

Morgan
RM, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

Most offences on a footy field fall into a continuum of bad behaviour, but the penalty is box: a fine, a week, multiple weeks. There will always been some disagreement for incidents that are on the line of those penalties. The question is, in those situations do you sway lenient or severe. In the legal tradition Blackstone’s formulation is that it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer. In this case I’d rather 10 guilty players cop a fine than one less-guilty player cop a week. I reckon the players who make up the MRP are sympathetic to that.

Cotchin’s jumper punch was on the line. The MRP erred lenient. The public have spoken, and now they will err severe. I’d rather a Richmond player get off than a Freo player get suspended in the future.

But each to their own.
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freoboy49 Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #31

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It seems to me that the more recent manifestations of the MRP have adopted the position that it is actual damage to a player that will see an offender punished with suspension, rather than reprimand or fine. Surely there is a place for intention, no matter what the consequences.
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thegeniusthatis Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #32

thegeniusthatis
Clearly legal precedents make sense here, Morgan, except they don't. We aren't talking prison stints, and we aren't talking about an actual courtroom with authority beyond its very limited role. For me it is the same principle as you applied earlier about comparisons to the general public, yet by citing Blackstone's Law - which I one hundred percent agree with - you are making the comparison between a murder and a punch on the football field. The best way to punish a player is by punishing their employer in this instance, it has got nothing to do with ruining someone's life, rather giving a thug an enforced holiday that will really shit their boss meaning a conversation is likely that may potentially put pay to further indiscretions. A thug on a football field who only intended to mildly punch someone in the face is still a thug on a football field, so if ten get off because of this thug it is a complete waste of time in the first place.
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rogerrocks Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #33

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In general some umpires agree with Morgan. At least when umpiring the slime at Subi. They think better that 10 slime transgressions go unpunished than 1 free kick against the slime be unjustly given.
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Drubbing Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #34

Drubbing
The MRP makes up legal "sounding" precedents, and then do what the hell they like.

Their classifications are made of rubber, that's how they're designed. Make them sound concrete, when they're not, so the application can be completely subjective.
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Raglan Matt Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #35

Raglan Matt
I agree to disagree Morgan, as I have said, the punishment for offences on the footy field should be a deterrent to others doing the same thing, the players have spoken and have said a fine is no deterrent. And as I also said, Froe players get suspended for reasons unknown anyway, so I don't regard the 1 in 10 as a problem for us.
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FDB Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #36

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Forget suspensions and leaving it to the MRP. Too complicated and open to wobbly definitions.

Just empower the umps to pay a free for any act of violence unrelated to the play of the ball. Bonus 50m penalty if the victim actually gets hurt.
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Raglan Matt Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #37

Raglan Matt
Make it a shot on goal from the goalline if you want to go down that track, then a free from the forward edge of the centre square to restart play, instead of the centre bounce.
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shane Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #38

shane
So if you're 10 goals up with 5 minutes to play it's punch time.
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Blue1red1 Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #39

Blue1red1
Punch Time - Now you are thinking. We Should let the players set it up like they do in Ice Hockey. That would be a crowd pleaser
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shane Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #40

shane
or as it would be known in a derby - The Purge.
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Blue1red1 Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #41

Blue1red1
I Thought I found a training aid for the team, but suddenly realised it was a Channel 7 commentator...
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Awake Too late for Lachie 6 years 11 months ago #42

Awake
Funny, from Titus:
"I’m also a bit worried if we start suspending players for ‘non-footballing acts’. The entire Eagles side would have been suspended off the back of last week’s game if that was in place"

titusoreily.com/afl/highly-unhelpful-gui...sthash.DMu1V6MF.dpuf"
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