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Corporal Agarn Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #15

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I agree with Guy. No time for it at all. The number of people who suffer or have caused their families to suffer due to gambling addictions is growing at a terrible rate. We don't have smoking adverts anymore and it appears that alcohol adverts are on the way out during sporting events and i feel gambling adverts should be the same.

It's incredibly hypocritical that the AWFL and NRL continually have players who break their gambling codes and are consequently forced to undergo gambling rehab type courses and yet they still want to rake in the money from the gambling sites and companies no matter what the cost to their own players is.
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Drubbing Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #16

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I think such advertising is parasitic, rather than motivational.

McDonalds don't make me want to eat their products. Gambling ads don't make we want to gamble. These are not things I'm interested in.

Gambling ads are insidious and parasitic in that they appeal to the people who are already interested, and make it easy for them to spend even more money. It enables an addiction to the possibility of a big win, which makes those predisposed to believing it, to spend more than they have.
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cletus Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #17

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If YOU want to gamble,as a consenting adult, YOU'LL make your choice and go and find the avenue that fills YOUR want/need. If YOU want to do it , YOU go for it. It doesnt bother ME what choices YOU make.

However, it is simply not right for a pubicly aired TV channel, or a condoning "Socially Responsible Sporting Organization" to shove this stuff down my 7 yr old and 13yr old's throat, let alone mine!

At least we get to have the family discussion about the pros and cons of gambling, I guess. Thats the only good point about it all.

The AFL's support of all this is quite farcical when they seem to jump at the chance to 'fly the flag' for just about all other social ills where-ever they can, with their appetite for theme rounds. How about a "Gambling Free" theme round.??
Now I'd like to see that! ..... But I won't....!
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shane Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #18

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If they had a gambling free round, they'd have to answer some awkward questions about all that pokies money the clubs are being propped up with.

And if they had to do something about the pokies money, the next thing you know, everyone who works in the AFL has to take a massive pay cut to keep the league sustainable.
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Blue1red1 Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #19

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$2 bucks says that will never happen Shane......DOH Damn it! The insidious adverts have corrupted me....
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guy smiley Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #20

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Morgan, I take your point about corporate partners BUT...

there's a whole paradigms and pints debate to be had stemming from that, ranging from various industries shown to be harmful and slowly being eased off the advertising spectrum through harmful influence on the vulnerable and culminating in a deeply enraging argument about economics, capitalism and the theory regarding a utopian society.

Quantum physics is probably an easier topic. Quarking easier.
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Morgan Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #21

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For the record, I'm not advocating for gambling. I hate that the new stadium is going next to Crown and will refuse to go there. I'm incredibly grateful to live in a state that has eschewed pokies money.

But if you're going to ban or limit advertising for certain products, I reckon you need a good reason. Sports betting accounts for less than 4% of all gambling, I dare say in terms of problem gambling it might be less. So I'm not sure you can apply broad gambling ills to sports betting. I'd be more concerned about the 25% of children overweight and the normalisation of junk food in sport advertising to be honest.

But you're right Guy, it's probably not going to be solved on here.
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shane Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #22

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Be honest. Did you do a google search for "gambling industry lobbyist talking points"?
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mule Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #23

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Morgan - it's a bit about current revenues but a lot about priming the next generation.
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FDB Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #24

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Morgan, betting on sport is an excellent and obvious gateway to problem gambling. That's why it exists, despite as you say representing a tiny proportion of total gambling revenue.

People have a lot of emotion and passion invested in their footy team, and who wouldn't love to see their team win AND profit from it? Whereas nobody gives a stuff about whether pineapples or cherries come up on a pokie screen. Or which horse gets whipped over the line first. That's just for addicts. But how do you get the addicts?

You get people to fire up about their team's performance (or that of whoever is playing the Eagles) putting money in their pocket.

Unless you subscribe to the view that a certain proportion of people are genetically predisposed to gambling, then you are bound to examine environmental factors. One of them must be advertising. It works to remind you of your wins, and make it all seem fun, even though almost every punter's ledger is in the red.

The gambling companies certainly think that investing heavily in the promotion of sports betting pays off, whether directly or indirectly. They don't spend much on TV ads for the Pineapples v Cherries game, because they've already got those mugs in the trap.

Are you saying they're idiots? To me they seem to be doing okay.
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Drubbing Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #25

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If you're playing the pokies at North Melbourne footy club, isn't that Sports betting?
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Raglan Matt Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #26

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If advertising gambling didn't increase the profits for James & co, they would not spend the money on it. And if you think the money they spend on advertising isn't paid for out of the potential winning pool, you are are probably a problem gambler already
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thegeniusthatis Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #27

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Surely everyone is in agreement that the main issue is both the process of normalisation as well as the increasing delivery of the odds as a central part of the broadcast, not distinct from it. I believe the form of advertising here is what needs dramatic review, rather than the amount necessarily.
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Davo Monday Morning Read 7 years 1 week ago #28

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Well said FDB - spoken like a true non-punter.

I would like it known that sports betting is not gambling - it is Problem Solving For Profit.

But just like beer ads, sports bet ads treat punters as if they're imbeciles who can't add two numbers together. Stop shouting at me you idiots!
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