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TOPIC: Deliberate out of bounds

Sunny Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #1

Sunny
The deliberate out of bounds paid against us near the end of the match yesterday, was that fair enough? Sometimes this rule is very much open to interpretation by the umps.
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cletus Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #2

cletus
No...it was not bloody "fair enough"!! It was a traversty! A disgrace! A blight on the game!!
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Dockerplus Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #3

Dockerplus
With about a minute left in the game with Freo 3pts up; Kersten gets a ball about 50m out with a Melbourne player hot on his heels and he manages to scramble a kick forward but the ball bounces out of bounds.
Now don't forget he is going forward and the goals are in range; now umpire, please explain why would Kersten kick the ball out of bounds DELIBERATELY ?
If that kick was considered by the ump as a deliver out of bounds ; then every kick that goes out of bounds should attract a free kick.
I think the umpire was influenced by the home crowd screaming for a free at all costs.
Actually the demons supporters sounded like our home grown screaming fowls with a difference: they stayed until the end of the game. The slime supporters would have left at 3/4 time after Freo had kicked the last 8 goals!
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pollyanna Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #4

pollyanna
I thought it was a fair call - there was no one within cooee of the forward 50 and he bombed it into the pocket. Not the goals, the right forward pocket. It was the right thing for Kersten to do, he tried to get the ball over the boundary for a stoppage deep inside the Deedum's defensive zone. But it was the right call by the umpy as well. No big deal, with their free kick the play was always going to be spoiling outside the 50 and holding the bastards down that end of the ground (but we were too knackered to press up and affect it).

No, I think as many are called as ignored - BUT, I really like it when they call a deliberate against the Toilet at home. That mob go spack (big time) and I always have a good laugh. There's something very funny about old knitting ladies and duded up knobbers frothing at the mouth calling for blood, spitting/splattering with their eyes and neck veins bulging out like they're about to have a massive heart attack. I'm glad we're not like that, we just shake our heads and move on.
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rogerrocks Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #5

rogerrocks
Its an interesting one. If he kicks a point, Melbourne have possession and the chance of a quick transition and goal to win the game. But if it goes out of bounds, the ball is close to our goals and time is wasted, both of which suit us. However, for a hurried kick he managed to miss the point post by about 3 metres, so he has shown great skill if he was trying to get it oob.
So I wouldn't mind the decision, except that you know it won't be called like that against the slime at home. Speaking of the slime at home, can we respectfully ask that Margetts umpire in Tassie on that day?
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Raglan Matt Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #6

Raglan Matt
Again, it is the consistency of the decision that is the problem, Melbourne had plenty of kicks and handballs that went out of bounds and were not really intended for a teammate, and on at least 6 occasions took possession on the boundary line and walked out in the tackle. THAT is more deliberate than Kersten's kick.

Another example of a rule of the game structured to be interpreted as needed on the day, considering who is playing who.
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Dockerplus Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #7

Dockerplus
There was no way Kersten's kick should have been considered a deliberate out of bounds. Otherwise every kick into the forward line that bounces out of bounds has to be considered in the same way.
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jimb2 Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #8

jimb2
Part of the deliberate rule is when it goes out of bounds when there is no one from your team in the vicinity to receive it.
It's not always about intent. Even if name of the rule implies it. A kick to the line for a throw in is out.
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Corporal Agarn Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #9

Corporal Agarn
Now I get it. He should have turned around and kicked backwards into Melbourne's 50 to his team mates because he had no Fremantle players in front of him.
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cletus Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #10

cletus
So what we now want to eliminate from the game is "the long bomb for goal"??!! Because that is what will happen if that is the interpretation of that rule.
I would have thought Kestens intention was to boot it long out of the pack into clear space, and hopefully for a goal. Yes, that ball might have gone out of bounds, but it was just as likely to go through for a point or goal.
Somehow, he can now only do that if there's someone else down there?!!, or he's got to be magically skillful enough to make the ball stay within the boundary line???
I mean, it is just crap!! It just another grey area that the game does not need. Imagine the last few minutes of a grand final being decided like that?? There'd be hell to pay for decades. (I.e 1979 VFL GF -Harmes incident.)
We don't need umpires determining the outcomes of games with crap like that. Pay it when a bloke has taken deliberate action to get the ball out of bounds, and we all know what that is.
5m from the point post from 65 m out is not deliberate, it is the outcome of taking an opportunity, and that is what must be encouraged...
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fourthump Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #11

fourthump
Speaking of intentional OOB ...

Shane, is it just me or are you torturing us all with the "fixtures" link on Dockerland showing us 2016? I know I can get them elsewhere but I like to check em while I'm here.
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shane Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #12

shane
I'm still waiting for the enhanced images to come back from NASA so I can read the magnet.
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Raglan Matt Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #13

Raglan Matt
Just watching highlights packages and the odd game besides Freo games, have seen that bomb into the forward line on many occasions this year, and that is the first time it has been paid. I have joked a few times when Freo's opponents have done that exact same thing they should be pinged for deliberate OOB. Never happened. UNTIL a Freo player did it when the game is in the balance.

I know I am paranoid, anti umpire, and biased towards Freo, but if someone has the time to watch every game played this year, maybe they could tell us how many times a ball has been kicked 60mt forward, gone out of bounds, and it has been called deliberate. Then factor in the fact it was kicked towards an open goal.

Bizkit is right, Kersten was a bad choice, if in fact he DID deliberately kick that ball out rather than having a shot for goal.
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point less Deliberate out of bounds 6 years 11 months ago #14

point less
Considering the game was so tight and the shortage of time, if Kersten had kicked a point it would have still been a kick in for the Dees. If he had kicked a goal the ball would have been brought back to the centre. It seems to me deliberate or a point keeps the ball in our forward line and a long way from their goals.
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