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TOPIC: Name A Time.......

From the outer Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #15

From the outer
I am struggling...........all fluff n bubble for too long.......the two Steves have a lot to answer.....ripped the heart out of the club ..... broke promise made at AGM about relocating just to calm the waters....
Deboer, SOS and Micky were all glad to get out of the place........great guys and all with great smarts......they would not be the saviours but were representative of a strong culture.
Nothing has changed since those losses started year before last.....Ross works hard and I am sure gives 150% but just can't seem to get the team up.....again this week he questioned what he was doing......I can understand this attitude from a guru coach...
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rogerrocks Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #16

rogerrocks
2001 was fun. 2007 was also fantastic. It just sucks being easy beats.
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Drubbing Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #17

Drubbing
Morgan, all I can say is, you're easily pleased.

I found 2015 excruciating to watch. Never has a team fallen over the line on the right side in so many games after it had clearly run out of steam early on. It was hollow and meaningless and we got smashed when the pointy end began.

Back then, I thought if that's the best we've got, we're in trouble. I don't know what the solution is, but I can't see Lyon as part of it. We've been ripped off big time, and the exits of Kirk and Sumich aren't just isolated unhappy campers. P
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Morgan Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #18

Morgan
It's tough to know if and when to blow up a team. Teams like Geelong and Sydney have managed to re-stump while being competitive. As others have said, 2015 wasn't convincing, but we did finish top of the ladder, so I'm not sure you start a rebuild then.

2016 it was obvious we were off the pace. But there's only so much you can do in one off-season. We de-listed over 10 players last year, including some fine servants. Less than a fortnight ago people on this site were complaining that we had blundered by not keeping a 29 year old who couldn't run or kick. I'm pretty sure we've got that type of player covered at the moment. Winning the ball isn't a problem. Using it is. Barlow, de Boer and Mzungu don't help us in that regard, even though they are still handy players. We were moving in the right direction.

We brought in younger players. Hamling has not been great, but he shows good signs. Hill has been good, and should be with us for years. McCarthy will be alright. If A Pearce and Apeness are ever fit, I reckon they'll be players.

It takes time. Harvey took over in 2007. It took until 2010 to put together a winning side. You could say Lyon knew he was rebuilding mid-last year, so by that count he still has a few years. He wouldn't be my choice to rebuild a team, but two weeks in seems a bit early to declare Lyon;s rebuild a failure.
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Drubbing Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #19

Drubbing
Make as many Lyon led excuses as you like. How did WC go without their bestest ruck in the league? A GF. The guy's not rebuilding at all, he's rewiring his evasive reasons for failure for the media and supporters. It's about his only visible skill.

Lyon has no clue. For all the guru status conferred on him, he's shown he has no in game strategy to counter what;s happening. He's also shown he's unable to prepare AFL standard players to play AFL standard football. He left that job to others last preseason. Un-freaking-believable.

I fail to see how anyone could look at the last 4 seasons and not conclude he's a dud. It wouldn't surprise me if Kirk was doing Lyon's job while he was with us. It's gone south since he went east.
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Corporal Agarn Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #20

Corporal Agarn
If we're clinging to the hope of Apeness being some sort of saviour we're in deeper shite than i thought.
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Bizkit Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #21

Bizkit
I'm sorry Morgan but I can't agree with what you're trying to sell here. Harvey taking over was a sign of new life in the club and regeneration, it was easy in the crowd to sit back and enjoy the show as youngsters were given a shot to excel. It was actually a fun time as a supporter as there was little expectation and plenty of talent to watch and enjoy which certainly flourished under Harvs.

Currently we've sold our soul for success following the OOFTIT's model via the Steve's and RL and it hasn't worked. We are steadfastly refusing to admit it was a stupid decision to ditch all the things Guy Smiley mentioned and become this uncaring entity we are presently and the supporters who have now been conditioned to judge the team on it's win/loss ratio are unable to stay on board the train. We were told of sustained success and anytime anywhere footy which was basically a massive lie to spin through the media but now RL's one tactic no longer works and we're in trouble on the field, why would any of the supporters they tried to turn us into stick around?

A rebuild isn't going to sell tickets to the crowd they've turned us into and they know that so they went for a short term fix with middle aged players instead of a full blown rebuild and tried to sell hope to keep their KPI's up. It's pretty clear now that was a huge lie and we are going to be complete rubbish under RL but we've already committed to the half measure which will ruin us and none of those in power have ever shown a hint of going back on their stance and rethinking a problem so I can't see us doing what Shane suggested on April fool's which would be the smart move and properly rebuilding (which includes getting in a coach who actually knows how to do that).

All you have to do is look at the contracts they handed to the likes of D Pearce or Dawson let alone RL to see how ill prepared they were for the fall of RL's tactics and lack of flexibility. You don't go making those sorts of long term commitments to fringe players unless you're certain of a bright future. Those in charge now have no idea what to do and it shows.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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Dr Sleep Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #22

Dr Sleep
yeah, nah. It's all well and good to claim the rebuild but RoLy needs to come up with a new game plan to go with it.

He is trying to adapt a team of misfit geniuses, talented oddballs and gifted characters into a rigid game plan from the saints 2009 playbook. Yes it almost worked but it can't accomodate Freo's 'Clive' factor. And honestly, without a bit of Clive then what's the point?

RoLy needs a rebuild. The game has gone past him. The rules changed but his playbook didn't. Harvey had a bit of Clive about him. How do you insert a bit of Clive into RoLy? ( don't google that).

And let's do it before hill2 drinks the kool aid and loses his mojo as well. Send them down to Harts house in the bush and let them go all Apocalypse Now for a few days. Might not help with the skills but it might help them commune with the spirit of Clive.

So in summary, less crap and more Clive please.
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Morgan Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #23

Morgan
Biz, check out that 2008 Round 1 team. There were no green shoots of hope there. Harvey didn't 'play the kids'. It was Harvey rolling out Connely's team. We lost 10 of our first 11 games.

2009 and 2010 were different. They were as you describe them. They were built off a wonderful 2008 draft. But the 2008 season was grim.

We're in the 2008 zone.

www.aflonline.com.au/afl-news/round-1-teams/
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Rhufus Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #24

Rhufus
Morgan go to bed, its past midnight!
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clinical Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #25

clinical
Turned off after 1/4 time - first time in history. I don't need to watch this crap. Pathetic skills, so damned predictable, just looking forward to when my nephew gets drafted in a few years so I have a legitimate excuse to follow a proper afl club.
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Ricco Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #26

Ricco
Sleep has nailed the problem with ross' game plan

"without a bit of Clive then what's the point?"
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R34 Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #27

R34
I too turned off early and surfed Netflix.
I will never complain about Dawson handballing again after seeing him kick
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Noddy Name A Time....... 7 years 1 month ago #28

Noddy
Netflix.....I've got drama, comedy and horror dished up on a weekly basis watching channel FFC. Having said that I'm sticking with it highs and lows, we will get out of this. Times like this though I really wish we were based in Freo....something historical to cling to.
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