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RideoftheVagaries Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #57

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Is there a Recreational Users League? If there is, it may only be a matter of time before they cite the WC for tarnishing recreational drug use.
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demo1 Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #58

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OK Mr Ings so the eagles were target tested during the year. hey?? When.....Thursday/Friday arvos?
Testers travelled from Melb/Syd to do the tests. Club and players knew before they arrived..
Why weren't you following up regular absences by certain players that knew you were there?
Why weren't you testing at 6am Sunday/Monday mornings?
If they weren't where they said they were - why didn't you follow up and issue a strike??
Your system has failed dismally
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thegeniusthatis Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #59

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I think that is a fair point you make, ROTV. Just because you are off your scone doesn't mean you have to use Canning Hwy as a parking lot, assault taxi drivers, hold up people, set fire to folk's houses, forge your mum's name on a prescription, maintain phone contact with known underworld figures, flatline whilst on holiday, start fights (and lose them) in public places, crash into parked cars, and generally make a complete tit of yourself in a manner that would see every last one of us spend time in the lock up.
For all the good folk out there using recreational drugs it is time you explained the need for further action to AFLHQ, that your good standing in the community has been denigrated in the most reprehensible manner imaginable. Everybody knows that if you use recreational drugs you don't go outside the front door - except that mob of twats. They can't even do that properly. Gutless, useless, cheating bastards.
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blockerhall Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #60

blockerhall
From that interview with Ings on the 2006 GF, I just see the big smoking gun:

"...Ings said he believed methamphetamine – a powerful stimulant – could act as a performance-enhancing drug if it was used before training or games.

He said ASADA did not have the jurisdiction to test for illicit drugs out-of-competition.

“Many athletes involved in using illicit drugs are very much aware these are things they take out-of-competition, they need to take them in advance so they clear their system so that they can pass a match day test,” he said. “That’s very likely what happened.”

The structure of the testing couldn't get at the cheats, and they knew how to cheat. That bloody flag should be ripped up. Match day smatch day. The cheating was done months and years ago, enhancing the training outputs. "No side worked harder" Pfft. No side was on the gear more.
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FDB Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #61

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To paraphase Frank Zappa: drugs aren't the problem, the problem is people who take drugs as an excuse to act like an asshole.
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Morgan Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #62

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The former illicit drug testing regime was designed and agreed to by all parties (including the players' union) to consider its affect on not just the handful of yahoos at West Coast, but the 700 or so AFL players lawfully going about their business.

It has since been decided and agreed that the majority of AFL players doing the right thing must bear the invasion of their privacy being increased in order to more effectively deal with they types of yahoos West Coast had at their club, and occasionally pop up from time to time at others.

Blurring the line between performance enhancing drugs and recreation drugs is problematic. I'd be curious to know whether using stimulants is only advantageous while they were in the Eagles' payers systems, or whether they were cumulatively advantageous. Ings might have been a bit loose with his words there.
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shane Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #63

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Amphetamines are banned in-competition so the line on whether they are performance enhancing isn't blurry. The blurry bit is what constitutes in-competition.

If you think about Aussie Rules compared to other sports, there aren't many others where you run as far, as hard and for as long as Aussie Rules. It's almost uniquely suited for what the hard training second quarter specialists at the Eagles were able to achieve.
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blockerhall Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #64

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On the contrary Morgan, I believe Ings was very specific in what he said. To state training is very pointed. He didn't have to mention that at all.
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Morgan Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #65

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Ings isn't quoted directly. The article says: "Ings said he believed methamphetamine – a powerful stimulant – could act as a performance-enhancing drug if it was used before training or games."

I assume that you run around faster on game day while meth is in your system. I assume you run around faster on training day while meth is in your system. What isn't clear to me is whether in-competition testing includes during training (I assume it does but not sure about pre-season), and whether training while taking meth increases your aerobic ability months afterwards.

Or to use another example, excessive caffeine is banned in some sports (like fencing) because it is performance enhancing. Taking caffeine while training helps you at that training session. Taking caffeine before competition helps you at that event. But taking caffeine in Vegas 4 months before the season starts doesn't really help you at all.

But PEDs like steroids help you cumulatively, because you can add muscle and train more frequently (because you recover better). I don't think meth fits in that category, but I'm not an expert.

If you are going to complain that out-of-competition testing for illicit drugs is required, then you need to draw that nexus.
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shane Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #66

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In competition is the day of the game.
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blockerhall Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #67

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Morgan, I presume you have read my earlier post in this thread? I think I make the link clear enough. This article discusses the testing regime in part:

Cousins
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Alvin Prpl Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #68

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I can only assume that he wasn't tested immediately after the TGF.
I will never believe he wasn't on something when running his guts out in the last half and then waving his arms around like windmills.
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Dockerplus Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #69

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Thanks blockerhall that's an interesting insight into the meanderings of a regular drug using athlete who wants to beat the system put in place to catch drug cheats.
By disregarding all the erratic behaviours that were on display and sweeping under the carpet the information held by the "people in authority" and the condescending group of journos ready to provide a helping hand; is it really much of a surprise that we now have human wreckage on show?
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Noddy Same old, same old. 7 years 1 month ago #70

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They were the days, very short hair cuts and windmills with crazy eye looks and muscles like the hulk......perfectly normal.
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