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TOPIC: Hamling Deal Done

Bizkit Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #43

Bizkit
We needed KPP when we were challenging and had to fill the gaps in our list with ready made players (which means trading). We aren't challenging now so our priorities change to developing talent (which means drafting). It's been said plenty of times.
Nathan: When did you get balls?
Simon: I've always had balls you've just never seen them.
Nathan: That's the gayest thing I've ever heard.
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fradonjan Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #44

fradonjan
thing i liked he ran off his man many times and either spoiled or marked,disposed very well by hand or foot,like i said he reminds me of luke,a youn luke,whether he goes to another level ,we shall see.'
i liked the comment when he handballed about 20 metres to a player out on his own,and he was under plenty of pressure to do that.
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fradonjan Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #45

fradonjan
farmer like the commentator said,big wrap.
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RideoftheVagaries Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #46

RideoftheVagaries
Some KPPs will be handy full stop. Also developing talent does not mean only going to the draft.

If say we take four years to be challenging again, all those players taken (or likely to be taken in Kersten's case) will be somewhere between 26-28 years old, and absolutely in their prime years.

Crucially we'll also have Fyfe, Walters, Bennell and Neale all between 27-29 years of age, which would be a pretty potent core group also in that premiership age demographic.
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Docker by the Sea Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #47

Docker by the Sea
I guess I would prefer to try and understand what the clubs thinking is and then support that.
To me it looks like they are trying to build a group of solid larger mature bodied players around 23-24 year age bracket these will support Walters, Hill, Mundy, Sandilands, Bennell, Neale, Johnson, Pearce and Fyfe 23. The club would appear to be backing in the young guys already on our list to continue to develop and provide real quality to take us forward.
Personally I thought the club had to get Lobb but it didn't happen, this doesn't mean that anybody at the club was incompetent, just that GWS were able to do their job and retain a very good player.
I don't mind criticism of the club, this year has been terrible, but positives need to be acknowledged as well.
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winteriscoming Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #48

winteriscoming
Like the pickup, biz can have an opinion , and in truth I prefer drafting then trading but the age of these guys ages are a good match to Fyfe and co and we have got some talks when the draft had limited.
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Noddy Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #49

Noddy
He's young, played well under pressure and has won a GF which none of our guys have done except young Hill.

All our drafting has been good, the only downside is losing loyal men who've given their all.
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Jezza Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #50

Jezza
Hence the reason why Roly is signed till 2020. If you compare the 2013 GF team to the one we'll be fielding in Rd1 2017 and beyond, if we can managed only a handful of injuries and none season ending, it's a far more potent team with a lot more firepower and a balanced Defence. Though, nothing ever goes to plan.
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Drubbing Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #51

Drubbing
Never heard of Hambling, and wasn't watching the GF intently, but how can anyone say he's not a decent pick up? And at a fair cost. We need a solid backman. He's one.

Yes, he's goes the spoil a fair but, but he can mark and kick under pressure. No pressure greater than a GF. No harder task than playing on Franklin, in a GF.

Bizkit, you could win the lottery and complain about the wait to get the cash. He's still 23 and yet to hit prime time. We're not starting from zero and filling the list with skinny 18yo kids. We've done well so far to get ready to play players who have already shown plenty. we've still got 2 decent picks in the draft for the kids.
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Jebediah55 Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #52

Jebediah55
After reading numerous posts by Bizkit, I've come to the conclusion he wouldn't be satisfied no matter what the outcome, and if we won all 25 games next year would still find things to complain about. I now completely ignore his posts as being complete drivel.
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purple kit Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #53

purple kit
Biz said " We aren't challenging now so our priorities change to developing talent (which means drafting). It's been said plenty of times."
I think all the argument from Biz is because he bought into the rebuild mantra that came out of the club during the year.
What we are seeing is more of a re-wiring or re-stumping than a rebuild. Which seems to be getting Biz offside.
If you look at our trading from a rebuild perspective, it sucks, no way would you give up pick 3 for pick 7 and a player. You might give it up for pick 7 and a pick in the teens to bring in more quality. Also you wouldn't give up pick 23 either. You'd be trying to get as many quality picks as possible to build a new core around.
Clearly from our trading this year the club believes we already have a core in their early twenties (Fyfe, Neale, Bennell, A Pearce) that is worthy of building around. And coupled with the remaining players from our old Core group (Sandi, Mundy & MJ) will be in contention much sooner than they were letting on.

If it doesn't come off then we may end up like Richmond, thereabouts without really challenging.

If it does, Lloyd, Bond & Lyon will look like geniuses. Only time will tell.

Back to Hamling, I have said it before and ill say it again, the only reason we have a perception of requiring more KPD's is the match committee keep insisting on playing Dawson ahead of SCOS and only playing 2 KPDs despite the fact we have more available. The fact SCOS qualified to play for peel in the finals in a year we were getting belted every second week is testimony to our failing to select the best team balance, leaving Ibbo to play on ruckman and Sutcliffe on Stringer!
No trading will help that.

Edit: Having said that, if Hamilng replaces Dawson in the pecking order so our starting 3 KPDs are MJ, Pearce and Hamling, this is a great trade that greatly improves our starting 22
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Raglan Matt Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #54

Raglan Matt
A couple of years ago everyone here was saying that the Hawks and Swans have done so well by bringing in developing players from other clubs to fill the holes in their list. Our problem was that we kept drafting the available players (midfielders) and then having to wait years to see if they will make the grade. Having finally bit the bullet and gone for players of a known quantity of ability, I for one am quite happy to throw this "rebuild" talk in the rubbish where it belongs.

"Rebuild" is like all the other corporate buzzwords that get thrown around in sport and business every day now because bosses and journos are too lazy to spend the time thinking about how they can say something intelligible. They hire the likes of the hack to write this crap for them and expect us to fall for it.
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Raglan Matt Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #55

Raglan Matt
So he will be helped massively by a Freo midfield that will be applying pressure to opposition players next year. We know he performs well in that scenario. Win for us.
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Date Hamling Deal Done 7 years 6 months ago #56

Date
One of the things I think is great is about Dockerland is that many passionate supporters can have passionate contrary views

Yes, I don't always agree with those views, but it's great to hear them and hear people debate them until they are blue in the face

I don't agree with Biz about his take the on drafting vs trading (and think Lloyd et al have done incredibly well and I'm looking forward to 2017 immensely), but I respect Biz's passionate and unbending opinion

So I don't think its "drivel", I think Biz is a passionate Dockers supporter who just happens to have a different take on things from mine

Kind of the sort of stuff that makes life interesting so keep it up Biz!
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