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TOPIC: Rory or Jessie

bozza Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #29

bozza
The hardest thing about trading with GWS is finding someone on your list that is willing to move to the western suburbs of Sydney. A player has to agree to a trade. I think Pick 3 on its own is a fair deal for
Lobb. GWS probably won't.
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hypen Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #30

hypen
Except every footballer in the NFL will jump at the chance to live in a freezing hell hole of an outer suburb in Wisconsin to play for the Green Bay Packers.

Brisbane is a beautiful city and no one will stay.

They leave organizations not places.
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Wedge Antilles Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #31

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GWS players don't live in western Sydney do they? I think there might be some Parramatta Road commutes going on and they'd be heading against the traffic every day.

We surely have to go for Hogan ahead of Lobb. Having Sandilands might have given us an inflated idea of the importance of ruckmen in the sense that, when you have someone like Sandy or Cox, a ruckman is massively important, but anything less than that and it's really not that much of a game breaker. A really good midfield, which it looks like we will have for quite a while, can compensate for a ruck deficiency.

Lobb would be incredibly useful but he'll never be at the level of Sandy in the ruck and he won't be the key forward we need either. So go with the guy that you can't compensate for, a champion key forward.
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moodindigo Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #32

moodindigo
Have you been to Brisbane, Hypen? It's like Milwaulkee but browner and more humider.
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moodindigo Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #33

moodindigo
You know, sweatier.
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walba Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #34

walba
You're all getting distracted. McCarthy is as good a prospect as Hogan and this year will be gettable at a sensible price leaving pick 3 for a top draft selection. GWS will not let Lobb go under any circumstances, which is probably a good thing as I would hate to think what Bond et al would be prepared to throw at him.
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bozza Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #35

bozza
Walba you build your forward line around a player like Hogan. McCarthy is your 2nd or 3rd string forward. I'll have them both thanks.
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Morgan Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #36

Morgan
A forward line of Hogan, Walters, McCarthy, with some complementary players like Tabs, Apeness and possibly Weller, and you have the makings of an elite forward line. McCarthy should be gettable, Hogan a possibility. I reckon that's where Bond focuses his efforts this offseason.

Lobb would be nice, but nothing about our history of trading with GWS (or anyone) suggests getting a result there is likely.
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slammen Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #37

slammen
If we can't get Rory or Jessie then we should consider who we pick up with pick 3, so far English and SPS are our choices but I think we should really consider picking up Liam Ryan, this kid is the next Jeff Farmer and who wouldn't want another Jeff in the side.
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Mushroom Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #38

Mushroom
Even Jeffrey Farmer would want to play in a side with decent key tall forwards and backs, and they are not so simple to come by.

Don't worry, Fremantle will consider the number 3 pick. Then probably waste in on someone like Liam Ryan.
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Docker by the Sea Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #39

Docker by the Sea
What about our trading history suggests that Hagan is "gettable". Can't see why Melbourne would be more willing to give up their "franchise player" than GWS would be to give up their 4th or 5th best big
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demo1 Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #40

demo1
Slammen - what we badly need is Liam Ryan to have a stinker in the GF....
If he has a blinder his ability will seemingly go through the roof between September and trade day.
He would have been in no clubs top 50 a month or so ago.
There is absolutely no way we would pick him up with pick 3 (or any other first round pick to be honest)..
That pick is reserved for Quality KPP or sustained brilliance at elite junior level players ie Pendelbury, Coniglio etc
We need to get a few second rounders and hopefully he slips through to that one..before the weags get him!
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Morgan Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #41

Morgan
DbtS, over its history Freo has done a reasonable job of getting players to Freo who have expressed a desire to come home because they are homesick or have family issues. Peter Bell, Troy Cook, Jeff Farmer, Des Headland, Johnno Griffin and most recently Harley Bennell have made it here not because we are experts at trading, but because the players sincerely wanted to return home, and clubs are loathe to ruin players' lives - or risk having a disgruntled player ruin team chemistry - when another club can put fair value on the table in return.

Where it does go wrong is where we don't have an obvious swap, or the opposition club doesn't care about player welfare.

We ran into trouble with Mitch Clark a few years ago because we didn't have a high pick, and Bond didn't think he needed to do a deal to get one (although he did cash in our priority pick). So it gave Melbourne a window to trump Freo's offer, and Clark enough time to convince himself that a dump truck of money was more important than coming home.

Where we got into trouble with GWS was that they didn't care about player welfare, and threw McCarthy under the bus by publicly questioning whether McCarthy wanted to come home, or was just seeking more money. They were so successful in muddying the water that they got away with jeopardising a player's career to make a point. The Footy Gods frown upon such behaviour, and conspired to ensure they actually missed a top 3 pick for their act of bastardry.

The difference between Hogan and Lobb is that there have been rumours for years Hogan wanted to return home, so any attempted narrative by Melbourne that it's a money-play will fall on deaf ears. Also, pick 3 is reasonably valuable, so there's a chance that pick 3 packaged with something else is approaching fair value.

GWS have shown they don't care about player welfare. Also, pick 3 might be overs for Lobb, and so we would need to coble together something else to get him. I'm not in the room when Bond comes up with his negotiation plan, but I'm not sure wheeling-dealing is his strong suit.

The best play is to get the McCarthy deal done quickly, and then focus on Hogan. We risk losing Lobb, but to be honest, I'm not sure what we could offer GWS for him anyway.
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hypen Rory or Jessie 7 years 7 months ago #42

hypen
Bennell Macarthy Walters
Yarran Apeness Taberner

It looks real good.

Hogan is another Tom Hawkins, pretty good but not great. If we get Macarthy we need to find another Alex Pearce. A tall key defender.

But i think Bond will go Sam Petreski-Seton.
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