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TOPIC: Bad players or Bad team

guy smiley Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #99

guy smiley
I'm the last person to be making excuses for the Iced Vovo set but...

the draft over the last 5-6 years has been severely compromised by concessions to the two start up franchises and any criticsm of recruiting has to take into account the available talent once those two clubs had had their plates loaded and dripping with fresh, young succulent...

dripping with it, they were.
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DockerKnockers Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #100

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Just helping out the moderator here.
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shane Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #101

shane
It's not detail though. It's just a number you chose.
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DockerKnockers Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #102

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shane Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #103

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Maybe you could just explain to me the direct link between games played and quality of recruiting.

If you had a time machine, would you recruit young Brent Harvey or Matthew Pavlich? Because according to your logic, Harvey would be the better recruit.
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DockerKnockers Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #104

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shane Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #105

shane
Thanks. So it is just nonsense. I thought maybe I didn't understand.

Should have stayed out of it. Bloody Blockerhall.
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DockerKnockers Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #106

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guy smiley Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #107

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Your theory's shit, though.
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Bizkit Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #108

Bizkit
I wasn't slow to provide an alternative, my solution was to keep bloody Harvey, win premierships in 2012,13, 14, and reload. Not headhunt a one trick pony with delusions of grandeur to grind out any semblance of creativity in our players, bore supporters to death, and then drop us off a cliff. And not listen to rah rah johnny come lately Steve apologists with their manky stats. Want more?

That has to be my favourite post of the year Block, well done.

You don't seem to be understanding DK, games played is a completely innacurate measure of how good a player is let alone using that to decide whether that makes them a good draft pick. There are so many other factors to consider in making that judgement and games played isn't high on the list.

Just for example, James Walker played over 150 games for Freo but was an average player. Tony Modra played less than 50 games for us but some might say he was a pretty good player. By your measure Modra was a dud pick and player while Walker was a gun pick and player.

You can't just throw out your arbitrary stat to try and prove your point when it has a loose correlation and no one can be bothered going through each individual draft decision to prove you wrong. Most have the common sense to realise that's a ludicrous argument and few have the time to bother making it.

Other important factors in rating a draft pick may include what pick is used, what type of player the club needs, what type of players are available, what talent is available, how that player is developed, what position that player is groomed for, what position that player is effective in, any injuries both before and after the draft, what state that player is from, what attitude that player has and the general ability of the player. Purely using the number of games played is not going to win you any arguments, only make you look like a goose.
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Corporal Agarn Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #109

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How about value to other clubs instead of games played. Suban, Sutcliffe, Dawson, De Boer, Pearce, Mzungu have all played a good number of games but what clubs would really be interested in them?
Or if they were at another club and you were a recruiter for Fremantle would you be rushing out with a cheque book to sign them up?
Cloke's played a lot of games, so should we get him for Fremantle on that basis?
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DockerKnockers Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #110

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Drubbing Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #111

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I've reread all the posts and I'm think I'm getting a grip on this theory:

We have an excess of average players that wouldn't get a game anywhere else (despite clocking well over 50 games), and shouldn't have got a game with us regularly the last 2 years, and we've recruited a lot of other players that never saw a game.

But, if we'd have played all of them for long enough, we should be Hawthorn?
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NPK Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #112

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So back to the thread and after all these comments I conclude we are a bad team with a lot of bad players.....
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