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NPK Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #1

NPK
I know this sounds obvious but are are players really to blame for this horrid season. Mediocre players often look "good" in good teams which obviously we are not. Players like Suban, De Boer, Mzungu, Suttcliffe, Sheriden would look a lot better in a good dockers team as time has shown, therefore I reckon we have to be careful getting rid of these guys. Unfortunately I reckon we only have 6 "excellent" A grade players (that are not on edge of retirement) and the rest are mediocre or below . Its a shame, apart from Lachie Neale no one else have stepped up.

A graders :
Mundy, Fyfe, Neale, Hill (just), Sandilands, Walters
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Ray Vonne Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #2

Ray Vonne
Its a shame, apart from Lachie Neale no one else have stepped up.
Include the coach in that
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The Prince Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #3

The Prince
Its just the players.

Many of ours aren't as good as those in the other teams.

A football team is a system. Like a car. The players are the mechanical bits. Once several of them are not up to scratch, it puts the good parts under great strain and limits their function too.

We need to replace 5-8 players with better ones and then we will see much better footy.

It really is that simple.
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The Prince Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #4

The Prince
To further my point, consider this:

You take the All Australian team. Drop Naitanui.
Make Damian Drum the coach and Chris Bond the manager.
Give them a few games to get used to each other.
How do you think they are going to go? I'd say pretty well.
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Matebe Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #5

Matebe
Bad coaches
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NPK Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #6

NPK
Nice analogy ThePrince, if only it was that simple. Leaders make football teams and that comes with confidence in ability. At the moment we have lost everything. It's gonna be a long road back unless we grow some leaders to take our team forward.
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Dockermus Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #7

Dockermus
I've considered your question, NPK. My answer would be both.
The Dockers have become a rubbish team with mostly rubbish players, some of whom are heading toward the scrap heap at season's end. The coaching seems to be mostly rubbish too. It's very disappointing how quickly the rot has set in.
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Weezey Joe Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #8

Weezey Joe
Imagine how many goals Yarran would have kicked today if he had the same number of opportunities GWS forwards had ..... We have some very good young players who have been put under the pump this year and that will only help their development going forward,
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shane Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #9

shane
That's actually quite hard, Prince

If we know what we're doing, we can maybe add 4 or 5 usable players to the list in a good year. That's a big if.

Matt deBoer and Tendai Mzungu might not be champions but they're better than anything after three turns in the draft.
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larkin Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #10

larkin
Young players try hard but are just young players and when you have a heap of them the problems multiply and the team looks shite. Good foot soldiers are playing in the 2nds but its not a year for mature foot soldiers.

Young players make rash decisions and judgments – a bit like a lot of football fans. Fortunately most young players get better. Unfortunately some fans don't.
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guy smiley Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #11

guy smiley
It's a terrible proposition that speaks more of lashing out than it does of analysis...

if 5-8 players would fix the problem then injuries to several first choice players are a key factor... unless you want to disregard your own logic.

Attacking players is a cheap shot. Cheap, as in fire engine red skin tight latex and 6 inch heels. The hard thing for many to understand is the unquantifiable effect of being slightly off your game on any given day leading to a blow out. Then you add further variables like the nucleus of first choice players unavailable and inexperienced players having to hold down either key positions or structural play and it gets messy really quickly. Most layers look ordinary very quickly when a team gets hobbled. That's the thing about team sport.

The failing this year has been a coaching issue. Nothing else. These players finished on top of the comp last year. You don't lose or gain that sort of class in a few months. You get it coached out.
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The_Yeti Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #12

The_Yeti
Blaming the players is a nice simple solution and we all like our solutions to be nice and simple.

It sort of falls down as a nice and simple solution when you consider that this is still pretty much the same team that finished on top last year. Not exactly the same team but close enough to say that going from the top of the ladder to almost the bottom of the ladder after one preseason isn't going to be explained by saying all of the players have suddenly turned to carp.

Something has changed and has changed for the worse.

Apply some not so common sense. Would you really expect most of a squad to suddenly turn into crabs in a few short months because they were really all just crabs in disguise? I would not. So I'm looking at a factor that would cover the whole playing group and that would be the coaching staff.

Have you seen any improvement in our skills? I haven't. I haven't seen any improvement in our fitness over the season either. No improvement in our team selections, decision making, tactics, game plan etc. Things we have spoken about on here have completely eluded the coaches. ie our delivery into the forward 50 where we ignore leads and bomb it high to a player being tripled teamed. ALL. F******. YEAR! and yet not addressed.

We can give Pearce D a two year extension but ignore Barlow because he gets played out of his correct position and played on a half forward flank where he lacks the leg speed.

I could go on (and usually do) but for a so called genius of a coach, he makes a lot of very poor decisions that cost other people, not so much himself. If he had actually addressed any of these issues, you might have a case for justifying a 5 year extension but none of these glaring issues have been addressed....and thats a failure by the coaches and an inexcusable failure at that

edit: beat me to it by a couple of minutes Guy. Couldn't agree more
Egurls Suck!
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Docker by the Sea Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #13

Docker by the Sea
I think it's probably both, surely we can't give all the credit to the players when we win and all the blame to the coaches when we lose.
2013 did the players or the coaches get them to the grand final, I know who missed the opportunities on the day. Jonathan Brown made the point the other night that players can decline quickly we have some older players.
We have many issues but the lack of effort the last couple of weeks has been ordinary.
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goodie Bad players or Bad team 7 years 8 months ago #14

goodie
I just keep coming to the same conclusion and that this is going to take years.
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