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TOPIC: Nic Nee Nat

bpurple Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #15

bpurple
Sorry bro but the moment Sandi lifts his knee in a ruck contest he is done for. The other guy is not that's suggests a double standard to me. Please explain how the most "Athletic" ruckman in the comp got smashed by Sandi when he was on the ground on Saturday, or how this most "Athletic" ruckman could not match Ceglar or MacAvoy last weekend. He also gets towelled up regularly by Goldstein. Griffin, Clarke and Hannath have all played against and beaten the Eagle ruck combination on many occasions prior to the last two derbys. He becomes all athletic and awesome when there is no competition against him.
Having a fantastic knees first ruck technique does not explain his penchant for smashing into packs from behind either. Saturday nights incident is not what I am talking about but it was the trigger for me to look at how he goes about his work. He is a wreckless knob who will end up giving a player a serious back injury
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shane Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #16

shane
Sandilands backed courageously back into a marking contest. It's courageous because there are bastards behind you who are throwing themselves at the ball and will not hesitate to injure you in the process. He does it regularly and should be heralded for his bravery more often.

Naitanui has a dangerous habit of sticking his knee out whenever he jumps. Personally I think it's a bit effeminate, but there's nothing against the rules about jumping like the sugar plumb fairy. Good on him for showing a softer side in a traditionally macho sport.

Sometimes it is illegal, though, and he doesn't get called for it. A lot of people have been injured by his knee.

On this particular occasion it wasn't illegal but he's still a bastard for doing it.
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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #17

Morgan
If you can find multiple ruck contests where Sandi jumps at the ball, and hits it near the apex of his jump, I'll eat my words. 90% of the time, he's hitting the ball while standing on the ground, having landed after hitting the other bloke. The physics are inarguable: if you are taller than the other bloke, and you are both on the ground by the time the ball arrives, you'll win the contest. It's savvy. But it's not going to lead to a positive free kick count every time. That's ok. He wins 43 ruck knocks a game, and over his career has won more free kicks than he gave away. It's a great result. Given how many ruck knocks players contests, the difference between the ruckmen is basically negligible.

Career
Sandi: 1.2 For, 0.9 Against
Alleged Serial Cheat: 1.5 For, 1.1 Against.

As for his marking, he is going to injure people the way he flies at the ball, but he's just as likely to injure himself. As with everything, he relies on athleticism, with little idea about how to actually approach the situation like a footballer.

And why we're at it, can we please agree that 'going back and looking for evidence of something we are convinced is happening' isn't actually objective evidence. In 100 ruck contests a game, I'm sure you'll find whatever evidence you want to demonstrate that one ruckman or the other is giving away free kicks. Rucking is a dark art, and more often than not umps get decisions wrong. Rucking decisions really hurt, especially in the centre square. Best to make as few call as possible, I reckon. .
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Drubbing Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #18

Drubbing
The only time you get pinged for raising knees and going the sit on someone's shoulders, is if you were never a chance to mark in the first place.

Sandi's ribs are where everyone else's shoulders are. It's bad luck. It's just worse luck the WC marketing muppet gets to do it.
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embee Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #19

embee
Sandi's mistake was reading the ball which allowed Natakneey to know where it would be too
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Noddy Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #20

Noddy
When 211 returns I'd like him to lead with his knee more into marking contests, all legal like, in fact I hope he's ready for the next derby to try out a new technique.
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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #21

Morgan
I'm not sure I want Sandi jumping. It could affect Earth's gravity.
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Raglan Matt Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #22

Raglan Matt
Getting back to the ruck contests, if NNK was penalised for resting his free arm on the shoulder of his opponent in the same way Sandi ALWAYS is when rucking against a shorter opponent, MDB would have smashed him in the third quarter, so no not all ruckmen are judged equally by the umpires. Just wait til Fyfe breaks Mitchells ribs in a marking contest and see what the laws of the game interpretation is then.
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bpurple Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #23

bpurple
Sandi needs to wear a complete purple length stocking on his left leg and under them wear shin, knee and thigh guards made from titanium. Throw in a purple cod piece and the look would be complete. No one is going anywhere near a seven foot drag queen dressed in purple with murder in his eyes.
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DockerKnockers Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #24

DockerKnockers
My apologies in advance for the formatting of the stats below, but basically, they indicate a trend for Nic Knee getting more favourable Average Frees For per game (vs Average Frees Against per game) each season. It is the reverse for Sandilands. His are getting worse.
(NB: I have posted previously that many Fremantle players have seen negative trends in their Free stats over the last few years, so this is not isolated to just Sandilands).

Year   FF FA FF-FA
Nic Nait 2009 0.40 1.50 -1.10
Nic Nait 2010 1.50 1.45 0.05
Nic Nait 2011 1.70 1.39 0.30
Nic Nait 2012 1.41 0.91 0.50
Nic Nait 2013 1.27 1.00 0.27
Nic Nait 2014 1.45 0.90 0.55
Nic Nait 2015 1.83 0.83 1.00
Nic Nait 2016 2.33 1.67 0.67

Sandilands 2003 0.74 0.53 0.21
Sandilands 2004 1.00 0.75 0.25
Sandilands 2005 1.22 0.67 0.56
Sandilands 2006 1.29 0.62 0.67
Sandilands 2007 1.13 0.47 0.67
Sandilands 2008 1.36 0.95 0.41
Sandilands 2009 1.75 1.40 0.35
Sandilands 2010 1.33 1.00 0.33
Sandilands 2011 2.00 1.31 0.69
Sandilands 2012 1.29 1.00 0.29
Sandilands 2013 0.30 0.60 -0.30
Sandilands 2014 1.00 0.83 0.17
Sandilands 2015 0.96 1.09 -0.13
Sandilands 2016 0.50 1.00 -0.50
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Morgan Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #25

Morgan
It's interesting. There are three obvious explanations:

i. the players have changed their styles over time;
ii. rule tweaks have altered the way ruckmen are umpired; or
iii. the umpires have become increasingly biased towards NicNat, and against Sandi.

DK, I suspect you and I might differ on the root causes of that trend.
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DockerKnockers Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #26

DockerKnockers
Morgan, the day you and I agree on the root cause for Freo Free Kicks, will be the day I'm worried about the sun rising next.
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Dockermus Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #27

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Athletic? I see him as talentless serial offender, protected by the umpires because it's been decreed by the AwFuL that he's a "star" of the competition. He gets most of his free kicks when he's the one who infringed. Consider this - Sandi is a tall as a tree and probably twice as hard, but he still gets a busted lung and several shredded ribs. What would a smaller bloke have copped? One of these days, if he isn't stopped, this useless great fairy lump of a player is going to aggressively raise the knee or crash one pack too many and break someone's neck.
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freo4me Nic Nee Nat 8 years 1 month ago #28

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I have been saying this for the last 3 seasons. He will be the first player to cause a ver y serious injury to a team mate or an opposition .
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