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Thornton Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #29

Thornton
AFL mock draft podcast has our first pick coming in at pick 26 due to academy players pushing everyone down a few spots. They have us taking Thomas Cole (mid) mainly because there are no good key position prospects left apparently at that stage. They have rioli going one spot after us at 27. They don't have Mitch Brown going in the top 30, I think he might still be available to us at our second pick at pick 35-37.

Interestingly they have Harris Himmelberg going at pick 30 who is a GWS academy player. They have North taking him and GWS not matching due to them using heaps of picks to get hopper and kennedy in the top 10. If we were to bid for him at pick 26 then GWS would likely not match. I don't know much about him except he is 194cm 87kg forward and he actually looks a lot like Cam Mcarthy.
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Ricco Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #30

Ricco
Let's not get truth in the way of a good story.

Tall does not equal successful AFL key position player.

I've gone back through the previous few years of drafts. With the picks we have available, I can't say there are any standout candidates that we have missed out on due to our drafting. Examples:
- 2013 we drafted Apeness with our 1st pick. Scan through everyone taken below him and noone stands out
- 2012 Simpson 1st. In terms of KPP's, no names after that jump out as stars. Grundy maybe but rucks we have many of.
- 2011 Sheridan / Crozier in short succession. Maybe Talia at 39 or Kersten at 34, but neither of these are great AFL KPP's now
- 2010 Pitt 1st. Maybe Darling?
- 2009 Morabito at 4 is probably the most recent example of where we had a high level pick. Even then, no KPP's jump out at me in the list after him. By the way, at 20 was Nat Fyfe and I don't think may would argue about that being a bad pick.

This doesn't jump out at me as a series of botched recruiting calls. What exactly do you want from our football department? Give me some concrete examples of where they have gone wrong with the picks they had.

www.afl.com.au/draft/draft-history
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Corporal Agarn Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #31

Corporal Agarn
Pitt v Darling-maybe? Is that supposed to be serious?
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big docker dog Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #32

big docker dog
Dream result would be to see Kieran Collins slip to our first pick (doubt it but possibly) but would be happy to see Mitch Brown taken with first pick. Both should be able to come in and contribute straight away. Not sure about out 30's picks
but most likely pass on forth pick to pick up Sam Grimley (hopefully)

One guy we should look at with our one rookie pick is Wylie Buzza - Qld Fwd 198cm 99kg Steven May type.
(Morabito and DeLuca take out the next 2 picks)
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bpurple Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #33

bpurple
Wylie-Buzza? Is he the result of some secret experiment (combining the genes Essendon style) of Rob Wylie and Peter Busustow, if that's the case sign him up. 198cm 99Kg makes him a lump of a lad, might be just what the doctor ordered.
As for Jack Darling, he showed his true colors on GF day, soft and ineffective against a decent opponent.
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jimb2 Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #34

jimb2
One result of finishing at the top end on the ladder like we have for some years is that you don't get top picks. There are generally a handful of players who are very likely to become stars who go in the first five or so picks then beyond that are the useful-but-not-greats, the chancers, the five-cm-too-short players, and guys who never make it. I remember thinking a few years ago that we were improving too fast and really needed to spend a sustained period at the bottom of the ladder to build our list. This approach of course has obvious downsides.

Our last top pick was Morabito in 2009. This hasn't produced but no one is blaming the recruiters for some reason.

In 2011 we finished 11th which would have translated into 7th pick if GWS weren't handed 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 that pushing us out of the prime player zone.

I like the idea of being a permanent resident of the top of the ladder but the downside is that you are going to struggle with list quality. Recruiters can't perform miracles. This situation is compounded by the fact that top eastern states players aren't keen on moving out to WA. Becoming the club of choice for hopesick ex-patriots is a good strategy, as is utilising the local rookie stocks, but we are doing ok in these areas already.
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timmeh Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #35

timmeh
Selecting Himmelberg would be like sheedy saying go out and pick whoever freo want.. I like it.

Also, consider that if he does want to head back to GWS, there is some currency to throw at mccarthy to get him out a season early without smashing our 2016 picks.
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Derby12 Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #36

Derby12
At the risk of re-opening the drafting-trading-Bond debate - it isn't so much that we could have got anyone better (as a KPP) with the picks we have had, it is that - recognising that the the KPPS go early, and that we have a wealth of midfield talent - we haven't traded aggressively to improve our draft position to enable us to get a crack at one of them.

If you are looking at the position we take into the draft, you are only looking at half the picture. You have to look at why we haven't improved that position. The clubs that don't improve their draft positions generally trade actively for their deficits; those who don't trade directly for players, trade to improve their draft position.

As far as I can see, we do neither.

I think the trade/draft thing is a bit like the stock market. If you get a player at 43 who you can trade for pick 22 two years later, then that is a win. If you have pick 22 and you can trade that player and 22 for pick 10, then you are in the market for a some blue chip long term KPP investments. At the moment, however, we have our money parked in a low interest savings account and we are slowly going broke.
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exceed Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #37

exceed
Since the year 2000 , other than Pav , what tall forward ( not ruck fwd) has Freo recruited through the national draft that has played more than 50 AFL games. Ryan Murphy ?
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ChewyBoot Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #38

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Polak (73 games Fremantle/38 Richmond) was a forward in the colts, but then later put all our eggs in the Tarrant basket.

That's the other side of trading your way into the top 10. If you dud your choice you can end up losing a pick plus player for an elite rated talent like Polak, Watts, Thorpe, Gumbleton. I think Murphy was something like a pick 12.
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Corporal Agarn Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #39

Corporal Agarn
So Darling had a bad GF hey. Big deal, so did Kennedy so i suppose we wouldn't want him either over Pitt. There were a heap of good Sydney players who had bad GF's the year before too. True colours apparently.
Actually Ballas had a shocker in our GF and then was AA the next year. Which were his true colours?

To say that Darling(100 games) v Pitt(5 games?) is a maybe is a joke, but it's not a funny one.
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Ricco Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #40

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Corporal - I think that is kind of the point.

Going back over the past 5 years, Dariling is probably the only obvious case where we picked up a midfielder and missed out on a good KPP. I can't find any other examples.

In terms of trading midfielders for draft picks, again, lets name names. I can't think of 1 midfield from the past years who I think
i. Would have currency in trading (i.e. another club would want to give up a high pick) and
ii. I'd be happy to see at another club.

The likes of Barlow / Suban / Deboer have been floated on this forum before as potential tradeables but the reality is they wouldn't attract any better than a 2nd round pick. And that would not fix the draft problem.

So before we bag Bond and the entire Freo hierarchy, tell me what you would have done different.
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purple kit Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #41

purple kit
don't think you need to go back 5 years, last year we picked Weller at 13 leaving this guy to the crows who couldn't believe their luck.....

"Lever made his debut against Gold Coast in round 6 of the 2015 season.[3] In round 17, against the same opposition, Lever recorded 24 disposals at 92% efficiency, 10 marks and 7 rebound 50s and was thus nominated for the 2015 AFL Rising Star award in just his seventh game.[4]"

he played 12 games in his maden year in the AFL as a KPP in the back line, in hindsight we may not have needed him as AP developed very nicely, but another Young KPP would have been better than more depth in our overcrowded midfield stocks.
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ChewyBoot Pick 22 8 years 5 months ago #42

ChewyBoot
Maybe the Crows couldn't believe their luck or maybe they were willing to take a risk, since they probably didn't already have a first rounder on their list with a knee injury.

Lever was rated as potentially the best key position player, but slipped down the order because he was also coming off a knee reconstruction in December 2013, and hadn't played any football between the injury and the 2014 draft.

The player we were rumoured to be interested prior to that draft was the South Australian Sam Durdin (who Adelaide also overlooked at pick 14 in preference to Lever). Durdin ended up going to North Melbourne at pick 16 but missed most of the 2015 season with a shoulder injury.

I wouldn't overdo the significance of rising star thing. Taberner was nominated for the rising star after his 10th game.
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