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TOPIC: Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges

Morgan Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #15

Morgan
“Integrity of the game” is fast becoming one of my most despised phrases. What does it even mean?

Integrity has many definitions, but it normally involves a degree of a morality and honesty. There is more to footy than winning, but clubs should be doing everything they can to win a premiership without compromising their morals. They should do so honestly. North is acting with integrity.

If you want to ban North from resting players, you are saying that the damage caused to a round 23 game is graver than depriving North of their best chance of winning a premiership. That’s a terrible argument. But to say that North should be precluded from managing their team the best way possible on the basis that it will affect people who have bet on the game, is specious bunkum. Betting as a sideshow to the game. Putting the rights of punters ahead of teams trying to win a premiership is more a danger to ‘the integrity of the game’, if that phrase means anything at all.

Shane, can we agree it’s disincentivised if winning meant there was the chance of having to play (or even visit) Adelaide?
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Duges66 Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #16

Duges66
There you go again putting your spin on my words (me suggesting Goodes playing comes to mind)
I don't think betting should come 1st but protections should be in place to protect punters whilst the A(V)FL make money from it.
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shane Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #17

shane
I'm glad you're not an engineer testing the integrity of a bridge.

There'd be a two hundred page report "The moral obligations of the honest bridge".
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Morgan Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #18

Morgan
How am I putting words in your mouth? Are you saying that 'protections' should be put in place for punters at the expense of teams preparing in their preferred manner or not?

There is already protections in place for punters. It's called not betting. If you put money on Peel and didn't consider player availability around finals time, I have as little sympathy for you as if you put money on Freo and didn't consider Fyfe might get injured, or money on West Coast and didn't consider one of their best players might get arrested at any moment.

Stuffing the clubs around because of how it affects the gambling is arse-backwards. What next, stopping clubs resting players because of how it affects fantasy football?

Edit: Shane, I consider "The moral obligations of the honest bridge" to be one of Felini's best works.
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clinical Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #19

clinical
They brought in a rule because freo played strategic and they didn't like it, now they won't enforce the rule they made up because it's a Victorian team that might benefit.
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jezzaargh Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #20

jezzaargh
the AFL should come out and put a stop to this. it's clear as day that Norths have no chance of making it to a prelim, let alone stealing a GF win
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Davo Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #21

Davo
Roos vs Tigers might be entertaining after all:

"The Kangaroos now can put in 8-10 players that are not going to play finals footy. They can go out and maim Richmond players," Carey said on AFL.com.au's Pick A Winner.

A tip for Tigers players - if Majak Daw is coming at you with steam coming out of his ears, start running the other way quick fast.
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RideoftheVagaries Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #22

RideoftheVagaries
It's a funny one. The term integrity can be bandied about pretty loosely , and it does become almost meaningless after awhile, more a vehicle for insta-outrage. But integrity is not really a simple either/or, it's more a gradient, where you can have varying levels of integrity. Within the complex world of the AFL it applies to different things at different levels. For example, you could apply it to the result of any one particular match, player(s) effort, umpire's decision making, the result of the season as a whole etc etc. You can also have any particular application of integrity compromised by any number of different factors, all of which are more or less in control of the participants.

As for the North vs Tigers game, the AFL might need to be careful with this, as there can be a strong case for the perception that North are manipulating the result to suit them.
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Jefferys Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #23

Jefferys
If Norf are really going ahead with this then Richmond should do likewise and let the game be some kind of slugfest, which follows the traits of both coaches to the bone
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Raglan Matt Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #24

Raglan Matt
Clinical has nailed the problem with the AwFL's decision on this, when Freo did it it was outrageous, morally reprehensible and would never ever be allowed to happen again. Now it is ok.
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itscraptacular Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #25

itscraptacular
This only effects other club's supporters, Ch7/Fox and gambling providers - so I'm pleased with that.

If there's a chance Richmond could be out in the first week of the finals then I think it should be encouraged, just because they're Richmond. Somehow it seems even more amusing than their normal Ninthmond.
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Morgan Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #26

Morgan
Just add 'mass omission player management' to Freo's list of things we were ahead of the curve on.

Speaking of which, I swear I saw a team run out of an inflatable shipping container the other day.
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rogerrocks Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #27

rogerrocks
Things look awful for the tigers. Win against North, and you play them again a week later, with all their good players rested and fired up. Lose against North, and you most likely go to Adelaide to play the Crows.

In fact, barring the Bullies losing, I can only see the tiges playing their first final against Norf or Adelaide in Adelaide. They've lost 5 straight against Norf, and the Crows are in great form.

And as Carey said, the Kangas fill-in players can belt the bejezus out of the tiges, knowing full well that they aren't getting a game the next week anyway.
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Duges66 Norf may rest 8-10 players v Tiges 8 years 6 months ago #28

Duges66
By inferring I put fwd the proposition that punters rights should take precedence and North banned from doing what they are doing.

Said nothin’ of the sort - I said “It wouldn't be hard to put measures in place to protect punters”.

That is NOT saying North can’t do what they are choosing to do, but given the circumstances have changed extraordinarily punters should be able to void their bet just as betting agencies have protections in place when punters gain an unreasonable advantage over the betting agency.
In extraordinary circumstances such as these I believe there should be a clause to protect punters.

For the record I haven’t backed Peel nor Wirrabee, but as a fellow punter I feel for those that did.
I have however backed Port heavily. See my post “Sacrilege I know but….”.

The A(V)FL however as a corporate entity have obligations given the large bags of money they make, indirectly, from punting.

Ps what's with the I have no sympathy for you if you blah blah.... you're getting a tad personal there.
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