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Tricolour Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #57

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Drubbing, I agree that it's a minority who bring racism into the heckling that's directed at opposition players.
I also think that a majority of the WC fans who booed Goodes had no idea why they should boo him except a vague feeling that he's not popular and everyone else seems to be doing it.
And given that I come from a soccer-playing nation where NOT booing is considered ill-bred, and even booing your own players is good form, I have no problem with the booing.
I also believe, however, that the abuse Goodes cops is out of proportion to how dirty he's perceived to be by other teams' fans, and that it seemed to take on a life of its own once he stood up and protested against racist abuse from fans. I really do believe that a lot of his unpopularity stems from his unwillingness to be a good, quiet Aboriginal and let us all persist in our comfortable believe that racism is really not a big enough issue to waste time worrying about.
It may be a minority spouting the ugly rubbish but try telling that to the indigenous players who are expected to just suck it up. Jetta backs his mate up with a war dance and now he's in the firing line.
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391 Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #58

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Drubbing there was grey here ... there is no grey anymore.

Racism usually stems from ignorance. The person vilified (if they have the courage and the means) explains how hurtful the previous acts were to them and why they were so hurtful. The person who vilified them goes "oh ok I didn't understand I was just doing it because [insert reason] "... I thought it was funny, I thought you didn't care, I have always done that, etc, etc and it STOPS.

We are at that point now with Goodes. If you Boo him now you are a racist. No grey.

Psycho Richmond fans with their yellow-and-back sunglasses booing the umps and Freo is different --- you know it is different.
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Troll Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #59

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Anyone who thinks this is not about race is kidding them selves. Goodes stance over the season has made it about racism and the fans who constantantly booed throughout the game bought into the issue and stood clearly on one side of the fence. The racist side and shame on them.
Call it out when it happens or these issues are never addressed.
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Docker by the Sea Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #60

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391 that's a bit harsh don't you think, Drubbing only adding an opinion to the subject and then to be branded as a racist, I believe this adds to the issue rather than encouraging debate. How do you improve the situation if you label everybody racist.
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391 Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #61

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I didn't brand Drubbing a racist.

I said people who choose to boo Goodes after all this focus - double so after the game v WCE are racists.

Maybe not march in the street 'Reclaim Australia' racists but casual racists nonetheless.

Drubbing and I go toe-to-toe on here sometimes. And sometimes we agree. I respect his opinions ... sometimes we just disagree
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Purple Eddy Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #62

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For mine it was the statement... when he tells you want it means to him and you continue to boo, it's says it all. We take our kids to the footy regularly and I'm as passionate as ever but I make a point to never boo. I don't think it's a good look. I just asked my 13 yr old would she boo Adam Goodes? Her reply was No, never. Because? Well he wouldn't know if it was because he did something wrong on the field or if the booing was because of the colour of his skin, and it would really hurt him. If a child can work it out, how hard can it be?
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Docker by the Sea Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #63

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Sorry 391 my mistake
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guy smiley Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #64

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So, what you're saying here is that if I go to the footy and Adam Goodes is playing and I boo him for reasons of my own, I'm a racist?


OK... where do I go to get the thing sewn onto my jacket?
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Drubbing Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #65

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You can't tell the difference between racism and booing bad sportsmanship?

That's just ammunition for the media and football police to tell people what they can and can't do, and shame them into something that isn't the real problem. The people upsetting Goodes aren't booing. They're shouting stuff at him that's wrong, and has nothing to do with the football.
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rogerrocks Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #66

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The slime supporters are the pits. I'm tempted to go to their next home derby, and sit among them with a GoPro, so I can get their nastiness on camera.

And as for booing Goodes - if he does a Mitchell, you can boo him without it being racist at all. But if you boo him just because he gets the ball, well, with all respect, that might be just the teensiest, weensiest bit racist.
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RideoftheVagaries Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #67

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Booing is just an entertainment conceit for the average fan. Mindless pantomime entertainment, but entertainment nonetheless. So I hardly see the value to any fair minded person to continue doing it if it does have even just a perception of racism to it.
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Rails Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #68

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Tricolour I didn’t suggest he should put up with racial abuse ??? .. attention seeking in terms of being inciteful by chucking spears at opposition supporters which is fair enough if that’s what he wants to do but suck it up if people want to boo him back .
It’s all speculative as why people boo’d him to the extent the weegirls apparently did most probably evolved like the mexican wave but to label all the crowd racists is vilification in its self .
Since being nominated AOTY all I’ve seen is division rather than unification .. I hope he can be a great ambassador for the aboriginal people without polarising the nation , there’s a right and wrong way to accomplish things .
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rogerrocks Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #69

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Nah rails. You can fight racism by being nice - and lots of people do. But you can also fight it by calling it out when you see it. That is what Goodes does - and it is not "the wrong way".
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goodie Please turn off the effects mic 8 years 9 months ago #70

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Imagine if there was ever an indigenous umpire in the afl. What a can of worms that would be.
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