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shane Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #15

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Perhaps if you believe the Eagles problems started at the end of 2006 and ended in 2008 you could draw a parallel.

If you look at a few things that seemed a bit odd at the time, like the changing of the coach, the sacking of a senior player, their rapid deterioration in form, the hard line on drinking and the recent talk of leadership issues, they've probably been working at sorting out the issue for a while now.
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Jezza Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #16

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The AFL is a law amongst themselves. I likened it to a "Prawn" leadership style. No guts and no spine. How about take a no nonsense approach and come down hard on individuals. Ultimately if the individuals refused to take responsibility for their actions, then someone responsible for them needs to.
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demo1 Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #17

demo1
spot on Shane - If this case was with any other group other than a professional sporting team, Harmichael would be at the bottom of the dam wearing concrete boots. It is bizarre
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bpurple Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #18

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Yeah nah not saying it is as bad as the WCE problem but for such a young club to have gone this way so fast rings alarm bells. Surely being under so much scrutiny this should have been picked up earlier and nipped in the bud. Again has success and player ability been placed ahead of doing what is right? I am by no means saying hang players out to dry if they have a problem, rehabilitation, support all those things should take place. But they need to happen away from the game, their have to be consequences for breaking the rules. Freo are by no means squeaky clean in this regard but the incident involving our guy was played out for all to see, transparency and process was the order of the day.

Maybe now we can understand why Rocket came out at the start of the season and said twenty losses was acceptable after finding out the issues we did not know about. The cat is now well and truly out of the bag and it just feels like the AFL spin machine is about to kick into full mode. GCS - 100,000 million well spent, dunno.
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demo1 Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #19

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I think the AFL knew of this impeding tsunami at the suns through hair tests etc. Thats why Rocket Eade was handpicked - they needed a experienced, hard nosed coach. They didnt need another yes man patting them on the backs being all warm and fuzzy.

I cant believe that you can belt your team mates, drink on a good friday, drink and drive, public urinate, sleep with your mates mrs or have $5 each way on a sports bet and you will be smashed from all pillars and even lose your job.
Get on the drugs and you can lead a normal and long career and hide behind any amount of red tape.

The CEO and exec team have no idea and are now made to look stupid when they should have acted on this much earlier. Anybody would think Nissy had guided them through the whole affair.

Demetriou cant be held to account now but his blind faith in going to the Gold Coast and recruiting a Rugby player will continue to be a drain on the game for many years - I wish they went to Tasmania instead. Love to see him interviewed now though
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Morgan Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #20

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I go to the footy to see my team compete against another team, in order to determine who is better at football. Essendon’s actions undermined that competition, and, if it’s proven they were given performance enhancing drugs, I hope the book is thrown at them. By ‘book’, I mean in a football sense. Because, you know, it’s football.

What the players do outside of this engagement interests me very little. They should be held to account as private citizens the same way as I am. If a court of law finds Harley Bennell guilty of possessing / using drugs, then I don’t think his sentence should be affected one way or the other by the fact he is a footballer. I think most would agree.

Where it gets grey is how much control a club / the AFL should have over the human beings that are employed to play football for them, and how quick they should be to take that livelihood away from them. Players need a private life, and in this private life some of them are going to take drugs. Around 10% of people 14 and over have tried cocaine. That’s equates to about 72 current AFL players. But can you imagine what that percentage is for the young men with the connections and financial resources of AFL footy players?

How much more scrutiny and testing should be put on the players? Surely they are close to the threshold of reasonableness already. Should the clubs / AFL have surveillance? Should they have private investigators? Should clubs be required to act on every rumour that is going around? Is that a just way to treat a person?

And how does naming, shaming, and ending the careers of players help them? How does it help society?
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rocky333 Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #21

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that pic of bennell was taken 2 years ago,why did it take so long to get in the paper I wonder
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The_Yeti Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #22

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It might help, Morgan, to look at who did the naming and shaming of Bennell....hint. It wasn't the AFL

The use of cocaine is quite simply a police matter. The only exception to that is failing a test on game day which could make it an anti doping matter. That isn't the case here. The AFL has a role to play in the event of a conviction for possession or similar but that would be the same role as any other employer ie it could terminate the employment of a person for a criminal conviction.

Its a little odd seeing watching what is happening. Bennell has been accused but there is not sufficient evidence for a conviction. Its also a little ironic given the decision of the AFL tribunal that there is insufficient proof to accept that there was TB4 in the TB4 imported from China, so no need to consider further, yet a photograph is sufficient evidence to stand Bennell down from playing. No double standards here.

I'd agree with your comment about a person's private life. It is something I've considered prior to this in relation to politicians as well. The author and publisher of this story should be under scrutiny for their actions in my view. I hardly see any justification that making accusations that are known to be unprovable is hardly a public interest matter. As for supporting the player by standing him down on the basis of an unsubstantiated allegation, well thats as laughable as many of the AFL's actions. This level of inconsistency is what you get when you don't have principles to guide your actions.
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bpurple Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #23

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Naming, Shaming and Ending careers is not necessarily the end game here, but people must be held accountable for their actions. If you are playing amateur or semi professional football, then the consequences of your actions as far as being a private citizen are obviously going to be under pretty much zero scrutiny (apart from your immediate peers).

The difference with any sports player playing at the elite level is that they are the benchmark for their respective codes. Most sports at that level are corporate entities, sponsored by the likes of Nike, Addidas and so on. These sponsors have deals with the club and in many cases individuals within the sport. A player/s doing as they please regarding recreational drugs or drinking during the season can jeopardise income that his club needs to survive.

Then their are the betting agencies (which bemuses me) who churn billions of dollars every weekend on different competitions. Players who affect their ability negatively or positively by using drugs of any form can alter unfairly the outcome of matches. Is that fair to the average punter?

These are some of the considerations you take into account when you agree to being one of those players, taking the cash and agreeing to live within certain parameters whilst that is you chosen profession. Do you get to have a private life? sadly not in a society where technology allows everyone to be the paparazzi.
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ChewyBoot Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #24

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Someone with better knowledge of the drug taking experience might be able to clarify to me if 5 lines of powder is usually laid out just for personal use, or if its more of a banquet for multiple users.

The pictures splashed on the front page of the Courier Mail in QLD, and its syndicated Newscorp papers in other states don't look like selfies.
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shane Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #25

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Probably depends on how much Clenbuterol you cut it with.
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lavo Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #26

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Why on earth did the AFL think a team on the Gold Coast was a good idea? No sport has been successful there. The basketball failed, attendance to the Titans is poor, and they wonted to bring in a team for a sport that isn't all that popular in that neck of the woods (and never will be). Meanwhile the AFL use Taasie to prop up the coffers of two Melbourne teams, where they have been asking for their own team for years. And then there is the drug culture that is already entrenched on the Gold Coast.

Reap what you sow, AFL.
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shane Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #27

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But those photos were taken in Launceston.
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DJKL Gold Coast 8 years 9 months ago #28

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I'd like to know:

i) Who took the photos?
ii) How much did they sell them to the Hun for?
iii) Why now?
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