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TOPIC: Ring the Bell, looks like it's official

rogerrocks Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #71

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I reckon Bell is a good choice. And as Football manager I presume he won't have a hand in marketing, so won't get to choose the jumper, which is also a good thing.

But as for all this "following process" stuff, I must admit that I don't get it. In most workplaces I've been in, following process usually results in the best candidate not getting the gig.
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Bizkit Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #72

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Yes, they occupy the member elected positions but go up uncontested for them as no regular member is able to compete with them. Of course the majority of members will vote for the name they know who used to play for the club rather than someone representative of themselves and their interests.

The Steve's didn't want members on the board and brought in ex players who agreed with them to contest and win those positions. Bell is one of those.
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jimb2 Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #73

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I seem to remember Peter Bell grabbing the footy at a bounce. There were seconds to go. We might have lost a bit of a lead, not sure. We were a few points up but the opposition could win with a kick. The ball was their side of centre. Bell ran straight into the arms of a tackler, locking the ball in. No prior. Rebounce. Siren. Win.

There's a guy who knows what's required and doesn't shirk it, I thought.

Peter Bell was a capable footballer but never had silky skills and he was a bit on the small side. He's a guy who made it by intelligence and hard work. As far as I can tell he was respected as a captain. He was also a leader at the Kangas. He doesn't seem to put up with BS. Fremantle is not his stepping stone to somewhere else. He's a guy with a lot of football experience at the top level of two clubs. He's a fully committed part of our club.
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Morgan Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #74

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I remember that too Jimb. I think it was against Adelaide, and the bloke approaching at speed was Ricciuto. It was possibly my second favourite Bell moment, after him doing the crying eyes to an Eagles played after Macca kicked that goal from the boundary after being cleaned up by Wirra.

Shane, I’m not defending the process: I don’t know how the club came to determine Bell was the best candidate, and neither do you.

I also don’t know how Brad Lloyd was appointed to Carlton. I don’t know how his brother was appointed in the same role at Geelong. Were they head-hunted, or was there an application process? I also don’t know how Charlie Gardiner was appointed to the same role in Sydney. He was a litigation lawyer. That seems weird. I know that a few GMs have been internally promoted. Did those clubs follow a process, or just think that person did well in their role? Did they miss an opportunity to look more broadly? Have they promoted someone to the level of their incompetence?

You’ve assumed that because Peter Bell was given the job that there was no process. There’s a chance you are right, but it’s a deeply speculative assumption. I think it sells Bell – ahem - a little short.

As with everything, you’ve assumed the club has acted in the worst way possible, then used that assumption as a cudgel to attack the club as if that assumption is fact.

I feel for you, Shane. You shouldn't have to keep imagining the worst about the club’s managerial practices.
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shane Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #75

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I hope he hits the ground running and is naturally brilliant at the job but if he is then it's because we got lucky.
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wingman Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #76

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He's in a no win situation with you Shane. If it doesn't work out it's I told you so and if he is great at the job it's lucky.

Finally the club put in a true Freo person and all the whingers still keep bagging any decision. This post will probably be pulled down straight away but at least I've got it out there.

Good luck Belly and I think it is a great selection.
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shane Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #77

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He's fine with me. He'll do he best so if he does a good job then he's a genius. If he does a bad job then the CEO and the president should remove themselves from their positions at the club.
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Jason Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #78

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I’m starting to think Shane and Yeti are one in the same.

Bag out the club over every decision or non-decision using speculation as the foundation of the criticism - then double-down on the criticism as if the speculation was bona fide evidence.

But always leaving yourself a back door escape plan for those who may reject the premise by stating a successful outcome to the decision/non-decision is due to luck alone - another speculative suggestion almost impossible to prove.

How about just admitting you hate everything and anything to do with the footy club but - like a vengeful ex-partner - you’d prefer to dwell on the hate rather than make a clean break and look for a new partner (read: footy club).

I know you’re a Sharks supporter, too, so success has been somewhat elusive in the past 20 years or so - but fercryinoutloud - could it just be possible that everyone associated with the FFC is actually busting their arses to attain our inaugural flag and not making decisions/non-decisions just to piss you off??
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The_Yeti Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #79

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Yeah, naah, Jason. We are very different people.

I'm not sure that expecting the club to act in a professional manner can be accurately described as bagging the club but there you go.

Some people will accept anything without applying any thought, yet I don't call for them to find new clubs. You might want to reconsider your position.

Also, I'll think you'll find that the decisions being made don't look like getting us our inaugural flag. In fact, the criticisms revolve around them achieving the exact opposite
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Morgan Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #80

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"Bell was selected from an extensive Australia-wide list of prospective candidates, with a subsequent short-list of candidates interviewed by a sub-committee that included Fremantle president Dale Alcock, board member Peter Mann, CEO Steve Rosich and general manager of human resources Nicole Horrocks."


That is either a legitimate recruitment process or lip service. It's impossible to know from outside the club. If Joe Bloggs the former Performance and Strategy Manager from Some Club had been chosen ahead of Bell, that doesn't mean there was a better process.

And while Joe Bloggs would presumably have some experience advantages over Bell, like seeing how (at least) one other club is run, he would also be walking into a footy club at a pretty crucial time with no understanding of the challenges and structures at Freo. Just because someone has been effective in a role at Some Club, doesn't mean they'll be effective in a more senior role at Freo.

There is almost always an element of luck in recruitment.

For mine, the most crucial decisions in the next 12-18 months at Freo are about the futures of the Head Coach, the High Performance Manager and appointing the List Manager. I don't think someone walking through the door will have enough data points or the influence at Freo in that time to make those calls on Lyon and Weber.
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shane Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #81

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Don't believe a word he says, Jason. I am The_Yeti.
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The_Yeti Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #82

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Shouldn't that be Je Suis The_Yeti?
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Corporal Agarn Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #83

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Bizkit Ring the Bell, looks like it's official 5 years 7 months ago #84

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With your prior knowledge Morgan of the club's administration and the strong rumours of Bell being named the replacement almost a month before the announcement yesterday, do you believe the media release regarding that process you highlighted?
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